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OK guys, we've got a good day here. Welcome to the 2024 Council retreat. | 00:00:11 | |
We're going to. | 00:00:18 | |
We're going to start off with. | 00:00:20 | |
A program around Enneagram. Karen, welcome. Glad you're here with us today. We'll get to that in a minute after some brief | 00:00:23 | |
remarks. But I just want to kind of set the table for what we want to what we want to accomplish today. | 00:00:29 | |
We want to set our course for the year. We want to talk about some ideas for the future. We want to ensure that we're all aligned | 00:00:36 | |
together in terms of how we're thinking. I think that's one of the great strengths of our group over the past few years. | 00:00:42 | |
You know, we have this conversation, we get aligned and then we're able to give staff the direction that they need so that there's | 00:00:48 | |
not a lot of. | 00:00:51 | |
Not a lot of controversy and dramas. The work gets done because we've given a clear vision and ideas of what that work program | 00:00:55 | |
should be. | 00:00:58 | |
And frankly, I think we just do wonderful work together. But I think a key part of that is us having this time every year. | 00:01:01 | |
To set the table for that. | 00:01:07 | |
One of the ways that at Christine's suggestion that I thought could be interesting for thinking about how we work together and | 00:01:10 | |
also how staff intersects with us and with each other is through the Enneagram process. So Karen is going to walk us through that | 00:01:14 | |
in a few minutes. | 00:01:17 | |
But I did just want to reflect on a few things from the past past year. Sharon did a great job and her five year summary of how | 00:01:22 | |
far we've come over five years and that was really a a great meeting and a tremendous opportunity to reflect on that. But when we | 00:01:27 | |
think back on the past year. | 00:01:32 | |
All of Mark's efforts and Toby's leadership around the beautification of the. | 00:01:38 | |
The connections we're creating connections we're creating among our citizens the transformative preservation opportunity at the | 00:01:43 | |
Thomas Farm Preserve. | 00:01:47 | |
The DDA and what we're doing downtown and the progress that we've seen there already, Rocket Fields been brought back to life. I | 00:01:52 | |
was there yesterday afternoon and I was there on Saturday. We've had softball out there both days we had. | 00:01:58 | |
Kids playing on The Net Climber had people walking dogs around. It was really great to see that we've built miles of sidewalks in | 00:02:04 | |
the past year. | 00:02:08 | |
We've hosted our three massive events with no hiccups. The Halloween event, Christmas Parade and the Fall Festival all went off. | 00:02:12 | |
With without a hitch last year, we've continued to grow our tax base, seeing continued progress at Wire Park and everything that's | 00:02:19 | |
happening out there. | 00:02:23 | |
We've got. | 00:02:28 | |
You know, we've got a full downtown still, you know, I mean there's there's not a, Kate was telling me the other day if we had had | 00:02:30 | |
it had a bunch more spaces, she could fill them all up. So. So that's inspiring. | 00:02:35 | |
As I said earlier, we've continued to beautify our city. Our city remains safe and then we've had very low turnover here at City | 00:02:41 | |
Hall too in terms of our employee base and share and that's a credit to your leadership and that of your department heads and | 00:02:45 | |
we're grateful for that, so. | 00:02:48 | |
A lot of opportunities in the year ahead. As we get into 2024, we'll talk more about that, but know that I'm grateful for each of | 00:02:53 | |
you, excited about where we've been, but I'm even more excited about where we're going. | 00:02:58 | |
But with that, Karen, we're going to turn it over to you and let you give. | 00:03:03 | |
Time and education on our personalities and those that we that we work closely with so that we can continue to do and even | 00:03:07 | |
hopefully an even better job of collaborating and advancing the city. | 00:03:12 | |
Yeah, I really appreciate you all inviting me. I feel honored to be here. I appreciate all that you do for the city of | 00:03:19 | |
Watkinsville. We've lived here. | 00:03:23 | |
For a little over 20 years since we made that from Europe, that is actually where I was introduced to the Indiagram and I've been | 00:03:28 | |
studying it and utilizing it for about 30 years now. It's been helpful in my marriage, in my relationships with my now growing | 00:03:37 | |
children and in many work relationships. I use it as part of I do coaching in the New Gram with individuals and. | 00:03:46 | |
Couples and staff of different organizations. | 00:03:55 | |
And I I hope that each of you find value in what each year I share today. | 00:04:00 | |
So I'll start with saying thank you for being willing to take the ready test. Even though it's the most reliable of all the | 00:04:05 | |
Enneagram tests, it's not necessarily accurate in determining your specific type. Other tests like the Marsh Grids and St. | 00:04:13 | |
Finders, those are considered static tests in that they tell you things about yourself that are true and that's very helpful. But | 00:04:20 | |
the Enneagram is considered a dynamic. | 00:04:28 | |
System of personality in that it illuminates patterns in your life and those patterns. | 00:04:36 | |
Can be changed depending on your awareness of them and your desire to want to do that. So that's why sometimes the test will put | 00:04:44 | |
you in the category of your number but not necessarily pin down what you are. So I'm hoping today that as we go through this, | 00:04:51 | |
you'll start to recognize, oh, that that rings true for me. | 00:04:59 | |
I think that will take breaks at different points, so if you have questions or want to interact on it. | 00:05:09 | |
Will be able to do that and then I'll be here for lunch if anybody has any follow up questions. | 00:05:16 | |
So with that, I'll kind of. | 00:05:22 | |
We've all developed and adopted kind of a particular style of living. It's the pattern of the way we manage our emotions, deal | 00:05:25 | |
with conflicts and difficulties, and these have usually been with us since childhood, and they're not necessarily inherently | 00:05:32 | |
negative their strategies we used to survive and take care of ourselves. | 00:05:40 | |
So the Enneagram, even though it seems like it's not a filing system for people, it's about learning to be present in our own | 00:05:48 | |
lives. My favorite quote about the Enneagram is your type is not who you are, it's who shows up when you don't. | 00:05:56 | |
And if you think about that, we can all relate to that. We've been through a whole day. We've gotten a ton of stuff done. But if | 00:06:05 | |
we were to really think back, we don't remember necessarily being present. | 00:06:11 | |
With someone or in the moment. And so that's how we what we want to do with immigrant is wanted to kind of be awake and pay | 00:06:17 | |
attention to these patterns that are running and and when we can turn from these patterns to just being present. | 00:06:25 | |
That's when we're able to live our life to the fullness that we're meant today. And I just don't want to accentuate that Presence | 00:06:34 | |
isn't something you add to your activity list for today being present. It's what we do to be in the life that we're living. | 00:06:43 | |
Umm. And so we have to pay attention to these patterns before we can, even if we want to do anything to change. | 00:06:52 | |
So I want. | 00:07:02 | |
Mention a quote by Viktor Frankel who was a neurologist who survived the Nazi prison camps. He lost his wife and both both parents | 00:07:05 | |
city camps. He's written numerous books but one quote which wasn't written about the enogram, but I think Tyson really nicely | 00:07:11 | |
here. | 00:07:17 | |
Between stimulus and resp. | 00:07:23 | |
There is a space. | 00:07:27 | |
Then that space is our power to choose our response. | 00:07:29 | |
In our response was our freedom and growth. | 00:07:34 | |
And I think that's really powerful because most of us are just zooming through the day so much. We're not. We have to be present | 00:07:38 | |
to even notice that space to know that there is a time when we can choose to do something that we've always done before. | 00:07:46 | |
And so just a final thought before we kind of get into the meat of the session. | 00:07:54 | |
It's always tempting to want to figure out what all your coworkers and friends and your partner what they are. And while that's | 00:08:01 | |
interesting and can be a good discussion. | 00:08:05 | |
The only person you can change is you. | 00:08:12 | |
And the exciting thing about that is when we begin to change even relationships that were in that have some tension or problems, | 00:08:14 | |
when we begin to change that relationship against change, whether they do or not. | 00:08:21 | |
But I'm hopeful that this will be just a platform, that you guys can learn some things. I'll be leaving with you just some little | 00:08:29 | |
question books. They're just kind of fun for the different types. And you can just look through those and and start to get a sense | 00:08:35 | |
of, oh, that's why he approaches things this way and I approach them this way. It's not that either one of you are wrong, it's | 00:08:42 | |
just that you're wired together differently. | 00:08:48 | |
So does that make sense? OK. | 00:08:56 | |
So we'll start. The way the Enneagram works is broken into three triads, basically the body or gut, the heart and the head types. | 00:08:59 | |
And I always like to start by saying it doesn't mean that if you're a heart type, you never think or you don't feel things in your | 00:09:04 | |
gut. | 00:09:10 | |
I It's just that that's kind of where the process begins for you. In fact, there's a neurologist in Atlanta that has written a | 00:09:16 | |
book. He works with people who have not been able to deal with pain in any traditional method and with the Enneagram. He flipped | 00:09:24 | |
the diagram over the brain and recognized that the function. | 00:09:31 | |
Of each of the numbers lines up with where it happens in the brain. I thought that was really cool. | 00:09:40 | |
And so his his whole premise is that we can access all the parts of our brain, and so as we grow and become present, we can access | 00:09:46 | |
all the attributes of all the numbers. It's just we tend to have a pattern that takes us down one path more than another. In fact, | 00:09:53 | |
one of the authors of the Enneagram sometimes says. | 00:10:00 | |
Probably not found your member until you feel just a little bit sick to your stomach. | 00:10:09 | |
Because it feels like it's exposed you just a little bit. | 00:10:14 | |
But we'll start with the body or gut types. | 00:10:17 | |
Karen, let me ask you real quick. Did Sharon, did everybody in the room take, take the test? Does it make sense like I I hate that | 00:10:21 | |
it feels like we're sitting here and you're hearing from us and the staff as their you have their back to the staff we. | 00:10:27 | |
Rearrange a little bit. So like should we slide care in this way and have staff come forward So we're all doing this together | 00:10:34 | |
versus. | 00:10:37 | |
You know, staff sitting behind. | 00:10:41 | |
I just hate for you. I mean, because you guys are part of this too. Like it feels like, you know? | 00:10:45 | |
Put yellow on that side. I got one room for one over here, but we could cut people and that makes us, and I'm glad to stand if | 00:10:50 | |
that would be easier. I'm just thinking to make it like a little bit more of a circle here and that way staff can kind of be part | 00:10:55 | |
of the conversation as opposed to sitting on the outside. | 00:11:00 | |
Good morning, Sir. | 00:11:07 | |
Space over here for one, and then we'll put. | 00:11:10 | |
If you need me to move a little bit just let me know. | 00:11:13 | |
On the other side of her so. | 00:11:18 | |
Back just a little bit. | 00:11:22 | |
That's good. | 00:11:25 | |
Any 2 tables. | 00:11:28 | |
I can't get too much further on here. | 00:11:31 | |
I just do what I'm told most time. | 00:11:37 | |
Part of the exercise you make is put something together as a team, and that's right, yeah. | 00:11:42 | |
Seeing if you're present. | 00:11:51 | |
Yeah. Yeah. That feels better. All right. Yeah. Yeah. | 00:11:54 | |
The individual. | 00:12:01 | |
That feels better, OK? | 00:12:09 | |
We'll start with usually an 80 gram, even though it seems. | 00:12:14 | |
Counterintuitive. We start with the number 8, the gut, because that's where you feel it in your stomach. | 00:12:19 | |
So those numbers are 8 nines and once you how all have your test results you can just see which are your top numbers and probably | 00:12:27 | |
your type will be somewhere in there. But those are just ones you can pay attention to. So the gut people anger is an issue for | 00:12:35 | |
them and they all want respect. Now again not that anger won't show up in all of our lives, but that's just kind of their go to | 00:12:42 | |
emotion. | 00:12:49 | |
Because they all want respect. They all have issues at some level or another with being told what to do. | 00:12:57 | |
This undercurrent of I don't want to be messed with, although this plays out a little differently in each of the three types. | 00:13:04 | |
And they have an intuitive, gut feeling way of making their way through the world. | 00:13:12 | |
And they can tend to be preoccupied, either positively or negatively, with the physical aspects of life. | 00:13:19 | |
Eight want direct, outward solutions to problems they don't want to mess around and they don't want to be messed with. Nines can | 00:13:26 | |
often express their emotions physically. | 00:13:32 | |
You will hear Nine say, oh, I'm not angry, I'm not upset, but boy, I have a bad headache or my stomach really hurts, so it often | 00:13:40 | |
comes out in a physical way. | 00:13:45 | |
Ones can tend to deny their own feelings. | 00:13:50 | |
There's just kind of an undercurrent of frustration with them because things aren't being done well and they can be critical of | 00:13:54 | |
people or places where people just feel really free to express what they think. So we're going to go a little bit deeper into each | 00:14:01 | |
of these numbers I'm just trying to get us into. | 00:14:07 | |
What section do you want up? | 00:14:16 | |
Then there are the heart types, which are twos, threes and fours. And I do want to say I have notes that I will leave with all of | 00:14:19 | |
you. I just don't tend to give them out beforehand because it defeats the whole purpose of being present. | 00:14:25 | |
The heart types are twos, threes, and fours, and they're all concerned with image. | 00:14:32 | |
And then shame can be an issue for them. | 00:14:37 | |
There's kind of this underlying see me as I want to be. | 00:14:40 | |
They're all about managing their image and ignoring their own needs. | 00:14:44 | |
When they're angry, they can demand attention and validation. | 00:14:49 | |
And they do all of this just a little differently To do it manage their shame or their desire to be perceived in a certain way by | 00:14:54 | |
being loving and kind. | 00:15:00 | |
3 Stuart by being successful and valuable. | 00:15:06 | |
And fours do it by being unique or. | 00:15:10 | |
And I think kind of a key element to this group is that these types want to be seen, but more importantly they want to be found | 00:15:14 | |
without putting themselves out there. None of these types would be like hey hey look at me, but they all desire to be validated | 00:15:21 | |
and found worthy. | 00:15:27 | |
And then the head types are 5-6 and seven. | 00:15:35 | |
When these types are present, they have quiet minds and clarity. They're concerned with safety and security. Who or what can I | 00:15:39 | |
trust? That's just kind of always in the back of their mind. | 00:15:45 | |
Emotionally, they can get lost in their heads. Sometimes I've heard somebody say, I feel like I think my feelings rather than feel | 00:15:52 | |
them. I can state what I should be feeling, but I don't really feel it. I just know it. | 00:15:59 | |
When they're healthy, they're trustworthy and you can count on them. | 00:16:09 | |
But their big issue is fear or anxiety. They want, certainly. And when they're not, they can become anxious. | 00:16:12 | |
And being present in the moment and not living in their heads trying to figure things out can really give them the security | 00:16:20 | |
they're looking for. | 00:16:25 | |
OK, we'll stop there. | 00:16:29 | |
Did anyone of those groups bring out for you like, OK, those are my people. | 00:16:32 | |
OK. | 00:16:40 | |
Since we're all live here, I don't ask for people to share unless they want to. | 00:16:42 | |
Any surprises there? Not really. | 00:16:50 | |
Well, it's just so it's interesting at least for me. I had my top three were in all three different categories, Yes. And that | 00:16:55 | |
happens sometimes because that that probably indicates that you're very well balanced that you're showing up. But as we go through | 00:17:03 | |
this today, hopefully one of these will really resonate more with you and there are. | 00:17:11 | |
OK. Any other comments or questions or thoughts? I have a question. | 00:17:58 | |
In the past, when you've done these and you've done them in different settings in different groups, you find that you know, like | 00:18:04 | |
our setting being. | 00:18:08 | |
Political and. | 00:18:12 | |
Staff setting, all with a similar agenda. Do you find that those? | 00:18:15 | |
The numbers of. | 00:18:20 | |
Kind of gravitate towards a certain group, yeah. Versus being more diverse like. | 00:18:22 | |
You know, yeah, that's a really good observation. I did note that that you have a lot of helpers. You have a lot of beautiful | 00:18:28 | |
people you have. | 00:18:32 | |
A couple of challengers which you really need and you have some. | 00:18:37 | |
Peacemakers, Nines are peacemakers and that's always good an organization to have people who can see both sides of an issue and | 00:18:43 | |
bring clarity. So I did see kind of a a skewed thing that way. There were certain numbers I didn't see very many of and I can see | 00:18:51 | |
that this would be a real service oriented group just from those if if that helps. What did you not see much of Karen's? | 00:19:00 | |
Let's see. I didn't see a lot of fours. | 00:19:10 | |
4 Fives And that's not to say one of you all can't be that. It's just those weren't your high scores. | 00:19:15 | |
A lot of. | 00:19:23 | |
Yeah, those were maybe the main two I didn't see. There were a scattering of almost all the other numbers and high in a few, so it | 00:19:27 | |
seemed like there were a fair number of nines. But there are a lot of nines in the world. I'm a nonsense. OK, so we'll start with | 00:19:33 | |
the the. | 00:19:39 | |
They basically want to shake everyone up and have them join the world. | 00:19:48 | |
They pour out energy, sometimes to get things done, sometimes out of a sense of false power. They offer the gift of presence and | 00:19:52 | |
aliveness. | 00:19:58 | |
Everyone needs their eight energy to keep us from collapsing when we need to speak our truth. | 00:20:05 | |
Eights one up sometimes protect their vulnerability. They don't like to show weakness, so they will protect that by building a | 00:20:11 | |
wall around their heart. But the problem with that is sometimes that wall can become. | 00:20:18 | |
A castle that keeps them closed up and unable to really make those emotional connections with people. | 00:20:26 | |
So to go over just the basics, your essential qualities are strength, aliveness. | 00:20:34 | |
Ability to get things done and being an advocate for others. | 00:20:41 | |
Your divine strength is confidence, vibrancy, and aliveness. | 00:20:46 | |
Their fear is of being controlled or dominated. | 00:20:51 | |
Their core suffering, which this is kind of the deeper issue that might be going on, is lust. And not less as you think of it, but | 00:20:55 | |
the not the behavior, but something deeper, kind of feeling disconnected. So they can use their anger to obscure their loneliness | 00:21:02 | |
or disconnected and that helps them to feel alive just because they're showing a lot of emotion and in conflict they can | 00:21:09 | |
intimidate. | 00:21:15 | |
And the fixation of pattern that shows with them can be vengeance. Staying with thoughts in their mind can keep them stuck. If | 00:21:25 | |
something has happened, they can't let go of it and they're going to stick with that. | 00:21:31 | |
And your pay attention point, the tap on your shoulder that maybe something is you're kind of not present and you are going down | 00:21:38 | |
your path is when you feel your energy getting big like. | 00:21:45 | |
Incredible. Hall just can feel it bubbling out. And so at that point, if you pay attention growth for you will be choosing to be | 00:21:53 | |
vulnerable and to hold hurt and let your walls down and recognize that you can have power in your sensitivity. Your power doesn't | 00:22:00 | |
have to come just from. | 00:22:08 | |
Being a big personality and taking charge, but you can be just as powerful when you're sensitive. | 00:22:16 | |
OK. | 00:22:23 | |
Do I have anybody that's like maybe that's my number? Don't have to commit if you don't want to. | 00:22:25 | |
Yeah, yeah. Way higher on that. | 00:22:34 | |
And that's good to know. You know, when I take tests, I like score nothing on an 8. I mean literally two or three points. And so | 00:22:46 | |
over the years, I've tried to really be present and access that because you'll hear talk about the wings on the Enneagram. And | 00:22:54 | |
what that basically means is it's the number on either side of you. And that is not like a huge component of the Enneagram. | 00:23:03 | |
I've heard one speaker refer to it. It's your seasoning packet. You can be flavored a little bit this way or a little bit that | 00:23:12 | |
way. And and you do like I have a number of nine friends and I have A1 wing and I can relate, I have that black and white kind of | 00:23:20 | |
side to me rather than a more intense side. So that might help you. If you do have two numbers that are different, it could be | 00:23:28 | |
that one of them is your wing and that is kind of swaying me that way. | 00:23:36 | |
OK, so. | 00:23:45 | |
Nas, Nas have incredible peacefulness. | 00:23:48 | |
You hear Sloth referred to them, but that's a shutting down or turning away. It's not laziness. It's a heaviness from | 00:23:54 | |
disengagement. | 00:23:59 | |
Being is the essence, an ability to come home to oneself, to land in grace. They literally are the place that all other numbers | 00:24:04 | |
want to come, to hang out because they're peaceful and easy to be around. | 00:24:11 | |
But it's hard for them to be with their emotions and not be swept away by. | 00:24:18 | |
Numbness can become the substitute for presence. You may think that nine that you're sitting with is totally. | 00:24:24 | |
They're miles away, in their head, somewhere else doing something else. | 00:24:31 | |
But their sensitivity stops being a problem when they can learn to be present in their body and feel what's actually going on. | 00:24:38 | |
So there are essential qualities are unity, harmony, positive energy, kindness. | 00:24:46 | |
Non judgmental and a good listener. | 00:24:53 | |
And their strength, their divine strength, is being able to see the whole broad perspective. | 00:24:56 | |
Death they They are a safe space for others. | 00:25:02 | |
But their fear is of loss and separation, that they'll be overwhelmed by their emotion. | 00:25:06 | |
They have this feeling that if we get in touch with what's really going on inside. | 00:25:12 | |
Anger or sadness with just overwhelming. | 00:25:18 | |
And so their core suffering becomes the sloth, or a pattern of resistance. | 00:25:22 | |
Kind of a shattered heart. I just can't move, so I'll just sit here and get my work done. | 00:25:28 | |
And not allow life to affect me. | 00:25:33 | |
In conflict, they space. They withdraw, mentally or physically. It's just like they may be nodding, but again, they've left the | 00:25:36 | |
building. They they don't want to be in conflict with you. | 00:25:42 | |
And then their fixation. | 00:25:48 | |
Is indolence or ruminating, withdrawing and talking to themselves. And what I mean by that I have told off so many people in my | 00:25:51 | |
head and they have never heard. | 00:25:56 | |
But boy, if I had ever gotten those words out, I'm sure it would have been powerful. | 00:26:05 | |
But, but that's the thing. Will you will plan what you're going to say or you'll you'll think about what you wish you had to say, | 00:26:12 | |
But it's really hard. | 00:26:16 | |
To actually move on that and. | 00:26:21 | |
The the pay attention point for a nine is when you find yourself just going along. | 00:26:25 | |
I'm fine. Whatever. I don't have an opinion. I don't care that that should alert you that you've kind of checked out a little bit | 00:26:31 | |
and maybe need to show up again. And growth for a nine is when they can be with the sacredness of their really strong emotions and | 00:26:38 | |
especially anger and just. | 00:26:45 | |
Feel and experience them. That's really hard for a nine. Do I have I I I saw a lot of nines on the machine. Do I have some in | 00:26:54 | |
here? | 00:26:59 | |
OK. | 00:27:06 | |
No, no. So that's I can relate over during COVID, I actually had a group, A zoom group for knives that I knew literally all over | 00:27:10 | |
the country from different things. And I just called it a meeting of the nines and it was just interesting to hear people in so | 00:27:20 | |
many different lines of work or relationships or just different people. | 00:27:29 | |
But we all struggle with so many of the same things. That's kind of encouraging when you find your people and realize I'm not the | 00:27:39 | |
only one that feels this way. | 00:27:44 | |
OK, so once the last of this group. | 00:27:50 | |
Anger is a natural and visceral necessity. The problem is when we don't deal with it. | 00:27:55 | |
Holding of anger is felt by others and moves people away from us and. | 00:28:03 | |
Often don't feel comfortable expressing their anger. | 00:28:10 | |
And so they hold it. It's. | 00:28:14 | |
A chronic frustration and they will often save you. I'm not angry, just frustrated. | 00:28:17 | |
But others around them feel that and that can separate them from the people they actually want to be together with and meet with | 00:28:25 | |
and. | 00:28:30 | |
It's interesting, but when we hold people in our heads with anger when we're thinking about them, it can really get worked up. But | 00:28:36 | |
if we can move that anger to our hearts? | 00:28:41 | |
And just kind of let it go, feel it, recognize it. It's easier to let it go. | 00:28:47 | |
The essential qualities are goodness, integrity, honesty and responsibility. | 00:28:55 | |
Once have a strong moral compass, they really want to do the right thing and live life the way it's meant to be lived. | 00:29:01 | |
Their divine strength. They have an innate connection to goodness, balance, purity, and a sense of sacredness. They know what's | 00:29:10 | |
important in the world, and they want to make sure that happens and protect others from the bad things in the world. | 00:29:17 | |
Somewhere they came to believe in their life goodness is expected of. | 00:29:25 | |
And their core suffering. | 00:29:30 | |
Becomes anger a sense that there's nothing good or sacred, and that causes that frustrated resentment. | 00:29:32 | |
And in conflict, they can become very. | 00:29:40 | |
I'm not angry, just frustrated. You can hear that in your voices. | 00:29:43 | |
And then their fixation can. | 00:29:49 | |
Judgment and resentment. They hold their position. | 00:29:52 | |
To the point that they're not even willing to look at another point of view. It's like they're going to hold their position. | 00:29:56 | |
Rather than being grounded and being present in the moment. | 00:30:03 | |
And they should pay attention when they become overly responsible or burdened, judgmental and perfectionistic like this has got to | 00:30:08 | |
go perfectly. I've got to make this happen. And for them, growth will be any sense of what's going on and that they don't know | 00:30:15 | |
what should happen because they always think they know what should happen. But just letting the moment happen without them needing | 00:30:22 | |
to define it or categorize it, if that makes sense. | 00:30:29 | |
So anyone? | 00:30:37 | |
OK, OK. | 00:30:40 | |
So tell me how many of you either? | 00:30:44 | |
Could relate to the one of those types, or you have somebody in your life that you're like, no, I'm not supposed to. | 00:30:48 | |
Speak for somebody else, but I'm kind of guessing that might be what they are. | 00:30:56 | |
Yeah. Of the gut triad, yeah. | 00:31:02 | |
Yeah, I've got it, Yeah. | 00:31:06 | |
One in my life for sure. | 00:31:08 | |
OK, Well and what will be helpful, some of the I have books over there you can look at for work, relationships, marriage, | 00:31:10 | |
relationships, children and relationships. But I'll also leave you some notes just to look through. | 00:31:17 | |
That was very helpful when my husband and I first were introduced to this, to go through and see things like. | 00:31:25 | |
Our numbers are three and nine, and we read through here the conflicts that threes and nuns in a marriage relationship might have. | 00:31:32 | |
They also. One of the books also has it for work relationships, and it was pretty eerie to think this is pretty much every fight | 00:31:37 | |
we've ever had. | 00:31:43 | |
How did that happen? And then we went through what these threes need to feel appreciated. And I read those things from my husband. | 00:31:50 | |
He's like, yeah, yeah. And I'm like. | 00:31:56 | |
Really, you know, it's like I would never think of that and the same thing in reverse. And so that was really helpful. But as you | 00:32:02 | |
start to see those things, then you work with people that you recognize are certain types you're like, OK, this might be something | 00:32:10 | |
they would appreciate, doesn't mean much to me, but it would mean something to them and that can really just kind of change the | 00:32:18 | |
trajectory of how the relationships are moving forward. | 00:32:26 | |
OK. So any questions on those before we move into the heart types? | 00:32:35 | |
One question. | 00:32:46 | |
Have you done this with a? | 00:32:48 | |
Prior to COVID. | 00:32:53 | |
During COVID or after COVID, it seemed like a huge. | 00:32:55 | |
When people were working at home. | 00:33:00 | |
What a good question. Yes, I actually did a workshop with. | 00:33:02 | |
Well, some an executive team at Chick-fil-A and they it was really interesting. I had to meet with each of them individually. Then | 00:33:11 | |
we met as a group, but it seemed like a lot of them were struggling. | 00:33:17 | |
With just the isolation and then trying to make all the decisions that their team needed to make. | 00:33:24 | |
But have to do it all over soon. That seemed to be. | 00:33:31 | |
Kept them in their own little worlds a lot. So it was kind of powerful to have them all come together in this capacity and talk at | 00:33:37 | |
this level. There were for me some surprising breakthroughs for a corporate, you know? | 00:33:44 | |
Group of men and women at that level. So yeah, I think coded certainly could have made a difference in how people relate. | 00:33:52 | |
Can I say one other thing about the gut triad? So I have a child who is a nine and. | 00:34:02 | |
Understanding. | 00:34:11 | |
His need for more downtime, just to be able to just how he's wired because he is such a peacemaker and and takes in so much of | 00:34:12 | |
those going around him, was hugely helpful. | 00:34:18 | |
To not just think he was completely lazy. | 00:34:25 | |
As a parent, but I just bring that up. I mean that's just one example that how I have found this so helpful is that understanding | 00:34:29 | |
this thing that this other person does that to you might be like well, what? Like they're a horrible person or they're whatever, | 00:34:36 | |
but understanding no that this is an essential part of. | 00:34:42 | |
Kind of where they're coming from and not to be so judgy. Well, and that to me that is the value of the Enneagram is it helps in | 00:34:49 | |
so many relational aspects of your life. Family, work, friends, just in a lot, in marriage and all those categories. | 00:34:59 | |
I'll take a little segue and just say just as you're going through the stance of all the numbers, you will see these breakdown | 00:35:09 | |
across the numbers, but three sevens and eights are the assertive numbers. | 00:35:17 | |
So if you find yourself being an assertive person. | 00:35:25 | |
You would most likely be one of those 3 numbers because those are the circuit numbers. | 00:35:29 | |
Ones, twos and six. | 00:35:35 | |
Are the dutiful members. They're going to have a strong sense of duty. | 00:35:38 | |
That you should do what needs to be done. | 00:35:43 | |
And then the fours, fives, and nin. | 00:35:48 | |
Are the withdrawing numbers. | 00:35:51 | |
That just means that's kind of there. It doesn't mean necessarily that their shower introverts that just that to care for | 00:35:53 | |
themselves, they withdraw more. | 00:35:58 | |
If that makes sense. So that sometimes helps when you're you have three of the numbers that are very different, yeah, then you can | 00:36:03 | |
look and think, OK, well this makes sense. Yeah, we're somebody has like an 8 and A7 as their two highest numbers. That would | 00:36:09 | |
definitely make you an assertive person. | 00:36:16 | |
OK, there you go. You can't miss out there. I have a son who is A7 with an 8 wing and when he was a teenager I was pretty sure he | 00:36:24 | |
was an 8 because he would argue with me on anything I said. | 00:36:31 | |
Now now as he's matured he's he's definitely A7, but he's got that strong eight wing and he is very assertive. | 00:36:38 | |
OK, so let's look at the heart types. | 00:36:47 | |
So twos. | 00:36:50 | |
Two's just long to have their hearts held in kindness. They want to experience the sweetness of life and the blessedness of just | 00:36:52 | |
being part of it. Real love is a part of their fabric or their consciousness. It takes them an unexpected directions and almost | 00:36:59 | |
never lines up to their plans. | 00:37:07 | |
To strive to make everyone feel connected at a heart level, not realizing that's not their job. | 00:37:15 | |
They need to connect to their own heart. Sometimes, feeling indispensable, they move towards others hurts and needs. | 00:37:24 | |
But feel left out because they have an inability to receive. | 00:37:32 | |
It's that's you hear, pride associated with twos. It's not pride like, oh I'm so great. It's pride of oh, I don't need anything. | 00:37:37 | |
Let me help you. I'll help you. But on the other hand they're really longing for somebody to reach out and take care of them as | 00:37:43 | |
well. | 00:37:49 | |
Their essential qualities are sweetness. | 00:37:56 | |
Love, nurturing, attention, kindness, caring, and generosity. | 00:37:59 | |
Their divine strength is they know when to respond and when not to. They're very good at connecting others and knowing we're all | 00:38:05 | |
connected. Their fear is of being unwanted or unworthy of being loved. | 00:38:12 | |
Somewhere they came to believe. | 00:38:19 | |
To earn love, you shouldn't have your own. | 00:38:22 | |
And that that core suffering, the pride taking care of others hearts but ignoring their own. | 00:38:26 | |
In conflict that can become patronizing, I have a two daughter and. | 00:38:33 | |
I felt that patronization many times in life. But as she's grown in her knowledge of who she is, you know, I can kind of call her | 00:38:40 | |
out on it. That's a beautiful thing about the Enneagram, having this language. Sometimes when you see somebody being one of these | 00:38:47 | |
ways instead of, you know, it's never really helpful to say, well, you're being really patronizing right now. But if you notice | 00:38:54 | |
someone is being that way, it's like, hey, what's going on? | 00:39:02 | |
You know, I really value. | 00:39:09 | |
Can we talk about what what you might be struggling with right now? | 00:39:12 | |
You can see these. | 00:39:16 | |
Things that they're trying to fight off and they're doing it the only way they know how. But if we can kind of bring them back to | 00:39:18 | |
the present, say I see you, I see that something is going on that can change the whole dynamic of the relationship you're having | 00:39:24 | |
in that moment. | 00:39:30 | |
Their fixation or pattern is flattery, which can become a defense against humiliation. And I want to say it's not a false | 00:39:37 | |
flattery, it's it's just kind of a way of taking. | 00:39:43 | |
Everyone's eye off of them and putting it on someone else so they will pay attention and give attention to others and point out | 00:39:51 | |
positive things. | 00:39:55 | |
But in a way, they're doing that so that maybe somebody will do that back for them. And I'm not talking about, oh, your dress | 00:40:00 | |
looks nice today, but more. Oh, you're so kind. Thank you for that. | 00:40:05 | |
When they're really hoping that someone will notice how much they've been doing and and reflect that back to them. | 00:40:12 | |
So that would be the Pay attention point for it to when you find yourself giving what you yourself need. | 00:40:20 | |
And then? | 00:40:28 | |
Is living with the anger, despair and bitterness and meeting them with kindness. | 00:40:30 | |
And recognizing that having those feelings and having those needs don't need to cost you relationships. They're just part of life | 00:40:36 | |
and who you are. | 00:40:41 | |
OK, twos. I need twos. | 00:40:47 | |
OK, Yep, that's good to know. | 00:40:53 | |
So. | 00:40:58 | |
I love that you guys are identifying with some of these and I think it'll be so wonderful for you as you move forward just to have | 00:41:00 | |
interactions. You know, these little books are not super serious, but just to ask questions. | 00:41:07 | |
If you go through them, the questions for your type will probably really hit you a little bit, whereas somebody else will just | 00:41:15 | |
think they're an interesting question, but they can be really insightful to do just around the lunch or something one day. | 00:41:21 | |
Just to get to know one another better. | 00:41:28 | |
OK, so. | 00:41:32 | |
Threes have hearts seeking to find fulfillment in what we're here for. | 00:41:36 | |
To lose the preciousness of their calling leaves them hollow and bankrupt and leads them to acting or fulfilling roles they have | 00:41:44 | |
in life. | 00:41:50 | |
It's almost like I kind of don't know what I'm here for. So I'm just gonna make things happen. I'm gonna get things done. | 00:41:55 | |
And the vanity is often associated with freeze, but it's not gonna be of oh, I'm so great. It's a longing to be the source of | 00:42:04 | |
value. That's what's important to them. Scratch the surface of all the activity going on and you'll find the wound. | 00:42:14 | |
Umm, and my husband's a three, so I know a little bit more about him. Threes can cry unexpectedly. | 00:42:26 | |
As kids, they were very. | 00:42:32 | |
And often overwhelmed by emotion, so they focus on tasks to manage their emotions. I'll just get things done. I will feel this. | 00:42:35 | |
I'll just get things done. | 00:42:40 | |
But sometimes that breaks down. | 00:42:46 | |
And they have a tremendous ability to adapt. They can tune into others needs to the point that they cease to live their own truth. | 00:42:48 | |
They can, whoever they're with, they can be what that person. | 00:42:57 | |
So, so, threes. They're essential qualities are they're charming role models, attractive, great mentors, confident, competent, and | 00:43:04 | |
efficient. | 00:43:08 | |
They could. Their divine strength, they contribute to radiance and glory, the part of life that's brilliant. | 00:43:15 | |
Their fear isn't being worth. | 00:43:22 | |
It takes a lot of work and activity to keep that false self in business in an effort to find worth. There's this fear that there's | 00:43:25 | |
really nothing there. | 00:43:30 | |
Somewhere they came to believe you've got to achieve. To be valuable, you have to be successful. | 00:43:35 | |
And so their core suff. | 00:43:42 | |
Is the terror of worthless? | 00:43:44 | |
And in conflict, they can become competitive. | 00:43:49 | |
Their fixation is vanity or deceit, and the deceit doesn't mean my husband was quite offended by that. He was so honest. But the | 00:43:53 | |
deceit is that you start thinking you are who you project to the world. And sometimes that becomes apparent. If when you're with | 00:44:00 | |
this group of people, you're like this, when you're with this group, you're like this, and then your worlds collide and it's like, | 00:44:07 | |
well, who am I? | 00:44:13 | |
And so threes need to pay attention when they find they're performing, more when they don't feel valuable. | 00:44:21 | |
If they're feeling like their value is slipping and they're just doing more and more. | 00:44:30 | |
And growth for them is not abandoning themselves and doing this, but just sitting with the emptiness and being OK with it. | 00:44:35 | |
So freeze we have. | 00:44:45 | |
OK. And that sounds accurate. | 00:44:49 | |
OK. And you had thought maybe you were two also, so well I'm right, I split two and three. You're probably either A3 with A2 wing | 00:44:54 | |
or A2 with a three like one point apart or whatever. So that that would make sense. | 00:45:00 | |
OK, so that. | 00:45:09 | |
That's a really of the assertive numbers. You will see that one a lot. They're often. | 00:45:12 | |
Leaders in the community, leaders and organizations, they get things done, you know? | 00:45:17 | |
Threes are great to have around. I'm married to one. He gets a lot done and it's great. | 00:45:24 | |
But just helping him, I think the beauty of the three is that when? | 00:45:31 | |
They can. They can be all of who they are, even when they're just doing very. | 00:45:38 | |
Non essential. | 00:45:45 | |
When we have friends over that have young children, my husband brings all of who he is into playing matchbox cars with them or | 00:45:47 | |
reading stories to him, and he's just as content to do that as when he's doing his job and, you know, really making a difference. | 00:45:54 | |
And I love that. That's the essence of growth for a three is just to bring all that you are to everything you're doing, whether | 00:46:01 | |
it's a valuable thing or will be viewed that way by others. | 00:46:08 | |
OK, for fours they are. | 00:46:16 | |
The plunge into the mystery Who am I, really? | 00:46:20 | |
What is the source of this existence? A heart filled with a ravaging sense of beauty that just tears them open. | 00:46:24 | |
Their heart has to be very supple and present to experience this. | 00:46:33 | |
Loss of their identity causes them to create their own identity. | 00:46:40 | |
And their own version. | 00:46:45 | |
Of what is perfect in life. | 00:46:46 | |
But without presence they can't go deep enough and this just keeps bringing them back to longing and disconnect. So it's almost | 00:46:50 | |
like this cycle of. | 00:46:55 | |
Oh, life isn't what I need it to be. So I'm just going to keep going back and looking for more. I'm always. | 00:47:02 | |
Sad that I don't get all that I need. | 00:47:09 | |
There are essential qualities or creativity, expression, sensitivity. They're very emotionally in touch and they really do have a | 00:47:12 | |
sense of awe at the wonder of life. | 00:47:18 | |
They know where their source comes from. They know that we've all been created uniquely and then everyone else has to. They | 00:47:25 | |
appreciate that, but their fear can be that they have no personal significance. I. | 00:47:32 | |
And so somewhere they came to believe I need to be special to have significance. | 00:47:41 | |
Their core suffering is going to be. | 00:47:46 | |
Kind of a rawness or sense of bleeding out. They just don't understand why others don't get it. | 00:47:50 | |
This ravaging sense of life and the pain that's there. | 00:47:57 | |
And so their fixation become can become fantasizing and melancholy. | 00:48:01 | |
It's just they create a world in which they are the center of it and others should. | 00:48:06 | |
Should recognize their. | 00:48:13 | |
And so they should pay attention when they find themselves fantasizing and creating an ideal that puts them at the center. | 00:48:16 | |
Growth for them is letting go of this story that they live at the center of and just to be with the pain and live with the longing | 00:48:25 | |
that we all experience. At some level, they just experience it. Maybe at a deeper emotional level. I don't remember having any | 00:48:32 | |
force as the top number, but. | 00:48:38 | |
Does somebody feel like that is one of their higher? | 00:48:46 | |
This would probably not be the kind of community I mean our job that a four. | 00:48:52 | |
Naturally gravitate towards so I mean that makes sense. Lots of artists, lots of very creative types. | 00:48:57 | |
But some of you may certainly have fours in your life so. | 00:49:07 | |
OK, so that was those were our. | 00:49:14 | |
Heart types. | 00:49:18 | |
And so did some of you feel like, despite what my highest number was, I feel like I might fit more in the heart category? | 00:49:20 | |
OK, so I have I have a question. I love that you have questions. | 00:49:29 | |
That. | 00:49:35 | |
The one that's in the fifth spot. | 00:49:38 | |
There's only six points difference in those five categories and I have 4:00 that are like. | 00:49:41 | |
Waste you towards the other end. | 00:49:48 | |
And they're very different categories. So I mean, it's challenger, enthusiast, reformer, helper and investigator. They're all like | 00:49:53 | |
this. | 00:49:57 | |
Five and then the four or the other ones that are like. | 00:50:03 | |
So I was just wondering like you typically see that like more of? | 00:50:09 | |
Well, one thing too and we'll kind of, I'll touch on that in a minute, but in health or in stress, we move towards other numbers. | 00:50:13 | |
And like. | 00:50:22 | |
One of the conferences I did four of the men on the leadership team. | 00:50:24 | |
Four out of seven were ones, and the leader of the team was a one. And so you know, lots of black and white, lots of getting | 00:50:30 | |
things done. But at the end of it, I looked at all their numbers and their lowest number was A7. | 00:50:38 | |
And a seven is where A1 moves when they're in. | 00:50:47 | |
They they become light hearted and love to have fun and that was the lowest number for everyone of those men and so. | 00:50:52 | |
When I mentioned that in this workshop. | 00:51:01 | |
Actually, the leader of the team almost teared up and said. | 00:51:06 | |
We're about to come up with our yearly plan and that's I'm looking at everything we have written down. Nothing is fine, nothing is | 00:51:11 | |
light. | 00:51:15 | |
And that obviously, has been one of the reasons. | 00:51:19 | |
This conflict because we're just so intense and we're not moving that way, so sometimes your number can replay. | 00:51:24 | |
If you've got a nine and a six as your highest ones. | 00:51:33 | |
That would either tell me as a nine, you move to six when you're in stress, so you're either A9 who's in stress. | 00:51:38 | |
Or you're actually a six, six move to 9. When they're healthy, you're a really healthy 6. So some of those numbers connect in | 00:51:47 | |
other ways. | 00:51:52 | |
And hopefully a little more that will be clear. And with the handout, you can kind of see, oh, this is how these numbers are. | 00:51:57 | |
Lined up together, I'm really maybe under a lot of stress here. | 00:52:06 | |
I'm really functioning quite well right now. | 00:52:11 | |
And that can be encouraging. | 00:52:14 | |
So our head. | 00:52:17 | |
Will there the five sixes and sevens? | 00:52:19 | |
Fives have the ability to eliminate reality. They want the real truth not to be comforted, comforted. They have the ability to see | 00:52:22 | |
what's actually going on, and while this is a mental operation, it definitely effects their hearts. | 00:52:30 | |
Being interested is not a cognitive function, but means they're involved and that they care. | 00:52:39 | |
The essential qualities of a head or intelligence, Curiosity, A whimsical nature and self containment. | 00:52:46 | |
Their divine strength is depth, clarity, illumination, and the capacity to lift the veil to show what's really there. | 00:52:54 | |
Their fear is of being useless, helpless or incapable somewhere they came to believe. | 00:53:04 | |
There's not enough to go around. | 00:53:11 | |
So they have a tendency to withhold energy so they can be prepared to have any for what they need. I I know a few thoughts and | 00:53:14 | |
they all told me, like, if they go out for an evening with friends, they kind of want to know what the plan is, and they're good | 00:53:20 | |
with that. But at the last minute, if somebody decides, throwing in a whole new thing, it's almost like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I | 00:53:27 | |
didn't. I didn't anticipate that. I didn't plan for all that. | 00:53:34 | |
So that's that can be something. | 00:53:42 | |
That they avoid and their core suffering is avarice, which is kind of the contact with the world can be so terrifying that they | 00:53:47 | |
just need to get rid of their needs. They just. | 00:53:53 | |
Need to not have connections and just to withdraw into themselves, and in conflict they can become antagonistic. They don't want | 00:54:00 | |
anybody to push them. | 00:54:04 | |
And their fixation? The pattern that can show up is emotional stinginess. | 00:54:10 | |
They can retain or remember everything. Not good to have a fight with A5 because they will remember every detail of what you said | 00:54:16 | |
or done. | 00:54:21 | |
But they can then kind of build a space station in their heads and just move into it and just stay there. | 00:54:27 | |
And that's for them. They're paying attention point when they're just retreating into their own minds. | 00:54:34 | |
And so growth for them is. | 00:54:40 | |
In contact, radical contact, because that which stores them to who they are and what they know and bring the truth which is a | 00:54:43 | |
great gift of the thought to be able to just. | 00:54:49 | |
State without strong emotion the facts. I love pods that it's like they could say something that someone else could say. To me | 00:54:55 | |
that would be very offensive, but it's just like that's just the fact, you know, they don't have any emotional connection to it. | 00:55:03 | |
They're just stating what is the truth. So it's great to have a 5:00 somewhere in your life. | 00:55:12 | |
To speak those things. | 00:55:20 | |
K5. | 00:55:24 | |
Even though nobody showed up is that it could. | 00:55:26 | |
In there for some. | 00:55:29 | |
Reading was like 5 is like the least. | 00:55:32 | |
Popular one. Yeah, it often shows up. Yeah, that could actually be. | 00:55:35 | |
I guess we just can't handle a lot of truth in the world. | 00:55:42 | |
Sometimes. | 00:55:46 | |
Yes. So it might be a few. He's an 8 that the five and two are both strong. That would be true. | 00:55:54 | |
Actually, no. Seven. Yeah, eights go to five in stress. | 00:56:02 | |
And. | 00:56:07 | |
7 Skoda 5 in. | 00:56:10 | |
Well, that means that's weird as much like 87125. OK, so yeah, like tears. | 00:56:12 | |
So yeah, I know, that's why the test can be. | 00:56:21 | |
I'd love for people to take him because I think it just gives them some insight, but sometimes you almost have to have somebody go | 00:56:25 | |
over it with you to kind of help you figure out. But hopefully just some of this information you can piece it together that way. | 00:56:33 | |
OK, sixes. | 00:56:41 | |
Six thing there. | 00:56:45 | |
They have a quality of attentiveness, sharpness of being on top of things. | 00:56:49 | |
That capacity for paying attention is a quality of awakeness. | 00:56:55 | |
Being interested in something is a heart quality. | 00:56:59 | |
But with sixes it's more of quality of devotion. | 00:57:04 | |
It's this beautiful quality of doing things, Whatever. | 00:57:08 | |
Is before them to do, but with a sense of wanting to do it well. They're not looking to get attention or affirmation. It's just | 00:57:14 | |
kind of you're devoted to doing what needs to be done, not to get credit or to look cool and. | 00:57:21 | |
Care about how we find meaning in existence in the bigger schema of life. | 00:57:30 | |
Umm, the six is about knowing what to do and how to do it. | 00:57:36 | |
And that just makes them. I wouldn't be surprised. Every organization needs a six. They make things happen. They get things done. | 00:57:41 | |
There are essential qualities are being dedicated, supportive, devoted, loyal loyalties, a really big one and a team player. | 00:57:51 | |
Their divine strength is guidance and devotion. They're awake. They pay attention. | 00:58:00 | |
Their fear is being without support or guidance, just kind of being left on their own somewhere. They came to believe the world is | 00:58:07 | |
a hazardous place, and their core suffering is fear or anxiety caused by what they're thinking. What might happen, Sixes can | 00:58:13 | |
really. | 00:58:20 | |
Get in this thing of, oh, this might happen, this might happen, and then they just can't get off of that treadmill. | 00:58:27 | |
And in conflict they can accuse. | 00:58:34 | |
Someone else? | 00:58:37 | |
And. | 00:58:39 | |
Their fixation or pattern is cowardice. They can't make up their mind. They can't do something. | 00:58:42 | |
They have the yes, but mind yes but yes but yes but and so it's hard for them to finally make a decision. | 00:58:48 | |
And so for them pay attention when you're looking for reassurance outside yourself because it's six. When they when they show up, | 00:58:59 | |
they are very courageous. When they are willing to just step out for what they believe and act on it, very courageous. But if they | 00:59:05 | |
but if they get caught in that loop of. | 00:59:12 | |
Yes, but I don't know. Tell me what you would do then. They can't see their truth anymore because they're relying on everyone else | 00:59:20 | |
to tell them what to do. | 00:59:25 | |
So anybody resonate with the six qualities? | 00:59:30 | |
OK. I was going to say if you're. | 00:59:34 | |
You will resonate with. | 00:59:37 | |
Because I'm a nun and I go to six when I'm under stress most of the time I'm pretty chill and like that, but my kids will be the | 00:59:39 | |
first to tell you that. Mom, chill out. You know, we have the whole throw pillow incident when we got a new couch and I was buying | 00:59:47 | |
new throw pillows and they were like, oh for goodness sake, this is not that big of a deal. And I was like, well, what is and and | 00:59:54 | |
that's when, Oh my goodness, I have lost control here. | 01:00:02 | |
Silly little thing, but it can be a little thing, or it can be something much more significant. | 01:00:10 | |
And. | 01:00:18 | |
The sevens. I love sevens. They're so fun. | 01:00:21 | |
Sevens who are awake and present live in a constant state of amazement. | 01:00:26 | |
They have a sense of delight and gratitude for the creativity of the world. | 01:00:31 | |
When they're not present, they try to be everywhere at once. | 01:00:37 | |
Confused about what they need to be doing, but very cheerful as they're doing it. | 01:00:43 | |
Their philosophy? I hate being bored. | 01:00:49 | |
Their eyes almost always sparkle and smiles come automatically, and then they just create reality around that. | 01:00:53 | |
And they could entertain themselves to death. | 01:01:01 | |
So their essential qualities. | 01:01:05 | |
Are. | 01:01:09 | |
There essential qualities or joy, freedom, enthusiasm, fun, new ideas and happiness. | 01:01:16 | |
Their divine strength. | 01:01:25 | |
Champagne in their blood. They keep the lights on spiritually. They they make others want to join in with what they're doing. | 01:01:27 | |
Their fear is of being deprived and in pain, the fear of being trapped and suffering. | 01:01:36 | |
Somewhere they came to believe the world wants to hurt me or hold me back. | 01:01:43 | |
And their core suffering, then, is gluttony. Not just about food, but the sense they won't get enough. So they always need more. | 01:01:48 | |
And in conflict, it's your. | 01:01:58 | |
They don't want to be in conflict with anybody. They just, you know, they just want to move on by it. | 01:02:01 | |
And so it's like, oh, sorry, I don't have a problem with that. You can take care of it. | 01:02:07 | |
They should pay attention when they're testing limits and not following through because something better is always coming along so | 01:02:12 | |
they're just constantly moving on. | 01:02:16 | |
Growth for them is patients with oneself, with reality and. | 01:02:22 | |
And with their own growth. | 01:02:27 | |
Being present with the ways they try to meet their own needs, if that makes sense, So that sevens resonate with anyone. | 01:02:29 | |
That was my highest. OK? Did that resonate some? | 01:02:39 | |
All except for. | 01:02:43 | |
Entertain themselves. I hate being by myself. Absolutely. OK well, entertain themselves to death, That's what that means. It's | 01:02:46 | |
like there's always a plan to be with more people, do more things. | 01:02:52 | |
The more people, the better. Yeah, yeah. My son who is A7 was he went to college here and lives in Atlanta now and he was home | 01:02:58 | |
over the holidays a few years ago and. | 01:03:04 | |
Was with my other daughter who's in nine, and he was like, I'm going to a Christmas party tonight. | 01:03:10 | |
And if I play my cards right, I think I could make 50 new people. | 01:03:15 | |
And I'm like, well, that just sounds awful. | 01:03:20 | |
And and yet it sounded amazing to me. | 01:03:27 | |
But it's wonderful to have those people in our lives to help us do that. | 01:03:32 | |
So I told you the things about the assertive people. | 01:03:38 | |
The three sevens and eights and the dutiful czar, the one twos and sixes and the withdrawns are the four fives and nines. So now | 01:03:42 | |
we'll spend just a few minutes talking about. | 01:03:48 | |
Kind of. | 01:03:55 | |
The outlets for these numbers, how they? | 01:03:56 | |
Deal with conflict or problems in their lives. That would probably be something that could be useful in the situations that we're | 01:04:01 | |
in. | 01:04:05 | |
So the positive group are the twos, sevens and. | 01:04:10 | |
They adopt A positive attitude. They want to reframe disappointment. They want to emphasize the uplifting aspects of life. Look on | 01:04:16 | |
the bright side. They have difficulty facing their dark side, and they have trouble balancing their own needs with others. So | 01:04:22 | |
specifically, twos tend to recognize the needs of others and are happy to help them with their problems while pushing back their | 01:04:29 | |
own. | 01:04:35 | |
So they kind of are very positively focused in helping others, but sometimes don't spend the time they need to take care of their | 01:04:42 | |
own problems or issues. | 01:04:48 | |
Sevens tend to focus on their own needs and can often fail to notice the needs of problems of others because they're just not | 01:04:54 | |
happy in a happy place when they're problems, so they're just going to keep moving on. | 01:05:00 | |
Knives tend to pay attention to the needs of others as well as their own. | 01:05:07 | |
And then that can make them feel overwhelmed. | 01:05:12 | |
And then they just tune out and don't respond to anything. It's just like, I'll just smile and go get some coffee for everybody. | 01:05:14 | |
And the interesting thing about that this is really helpful on a team as you go through, because this first came to my attention | 01:05:26 | |
on. | 01:05:31 | |
You know when we had kids and we were going to do yard work on a Saturday, well, we had four of us were positive outlook people. | 01:05:36 | |
And my husband is a three and he's a competency person, needs a plan. So all of us were willing to do the yard work, but we just | 01:05:43 | |
wanted to get out there and do it. No plan needed. And my husband needed us to have a plan. So that often didn't go really well | 01:05:50 | |
because we're like, oh, chill, let's just get it done. | 01:05:57 | |
And that's really important in a team to recognize that you probably all have very specific ways you approach how to deal with | 01:06:05 | |
things. And if you're coming from a different perspective that can cause conflict that doesn't even need to be there. It's just | 01:06:11 | |
what you need to move forward. | 01:06:18 | |
So the next group, the competency group, are ones, threes and fives. | 01:06:25 | |
They put aside their personal feelings and strive to be objective, effective and competent. They try to solve problems logically, | 01:06:32 | |
expecting the same from others. They have issues related to working within the confines of a structure system. They just want to | 01:06:39 | |
get things done, and the system isn't set up to get things done. That can be very frustrating, So ones play by the rules and they | 01:06:46 | |
expect others to do so too. | 01:06:54 | |
There is a right plan and that's the one they want to operate from. So once there's a right plan and it's usually the plan that | 01:07:01 | |
they come up with and they feel that others need to get on board with that plan. | 01:07:09 | |
Threes will play by the rules if that works. | 01:07:17 | |
If not, they're willing to bend the rules to get what they need to get done. | 01:07:21 | |
Does that make? | 01:07:26 | |
Resonate. | 01:07:28 | |
Bob's aren't so interested in the rules. They don't like being part of the system, so they just want to do it their own way. | 01:07:30 | |
They're not going to make a fuss about it or a lot of noise. They're just going to kind of do it their own way. And like, I love | 01:07:37 | |
how that can be helpful. At one point, my husband, his supervisor, and the supervisor over them were both. | 01:07:44 | |
Couldn't give you any details to how you would get to that point. | 01:08:28 | |
So sometimes just knowing that about people can be really helpful as you're trying to work through, OK, you need these people need | 01:08:31 | |
it to be positive and not talk about all the negatives, but these people need there to be a plan as we move forward. | 01:08:39 | |
And then the other group is the reactive group. | 01:08:49 | |
Or the Intensity group. There are four sixes and eights. They can react emotionally to conflicts and problems. | 01:08:54 | |
They had difficulty knowing how much to trust others. | 01:09:02 | |
They look for an emotional response that mirrors their own concern. They're kind of scanning the room to see who gets. | 01:09:07 | |
What they're. | 01:09:14 | |
They have strong likes and dislikes, and they can become resentful. They can have difficulty balancing their need for independence | 01:09:17 | |
and self determination, and this plays out a little differently for each of them. Forests tend to feel like they're always on the | 01:09:24 | |
outside looking in, and so they're very sensitive to slights or perceived slights. | 01:09:31 | |
Which they can take as a lack of support. So they're easily hurt and they tend to turn inward. | 01:09:38 | |
You know, six is one of these, seen as strong and reliable, but at the same time they want to be supported by others. | 01:09:46 | |
And that can make them defensive, so sixes can. | 01:09:54 | |
React by pulling into themselves and feeling resentful and not supported. Or they can push back. | 01:09:58 | |
So they can kind of go either way. | 01:10:06 | |
And then eight H usually are comfortable pushing back. | 01:10:10 | |
You know, they don't have any problem, like, OK, they'll push back. They're comfortable being the supportive ones that they don't | 01:10:15 | |
want to need others. So they've always got their guard up for others getting too close and they can, in situations of conflict, | 01:10:22 | |
get angry pretty easily. And so that's always good to know, to know yourself and to know if you've got someone on your team like | 01:10:29 | |
that, that you know it's like, well, we are going to get, can you tell me? | 01:10:37 | |
What this is causing to come up and you know, why are you feeling that way? So these are different ways that you can probably as | 01:10:44 | |
as we're talking about this, you can even think of interactions you all have had within your community and how that might be | 01:10:51 | |
playing out in some way. Does that make sense? | 01:10:58 | |
I have some handouts here that. | 01:11:07 | |
It drives my competent husband crazy that. | 01:11:12 | |
My competent husband crazy that I don't give. | 01:11:21 | |
Notes or handouts at the start, but I know that all I do is read them while somebody speaking, and I think it's harder to be | 01:11:25 | |
present when we have them. | 01:11:30 | |
So most of the things we've talked about are on here, but there are some things that I thought might be interesting for us to kind | 01:11:37 | |
of do as a group exercise. | 01:11:42 | |
Thanks. | 01:11:57 | |
So if you look on the page that just says Enneagram at the top, you can kind of look through and see under gifts we're drawn to in | 01:12:03 | |
relationships. | 01:12:08 | |
And I just wondered if you wanted to take a minute and look through that. | 01:12:15 | |
If there was some feedback you'd like to give anyone in the room about these are gifts were drawn to and others what do you see in | 01:12:22 | |
your? | 01:12:26 | |
Fellow coworkers that are things that you think, oh, this is something I really appreciate about you, Joe or Jeff, you know. | 01:12:31 | |
I'll give you a minute just to look through them. | 01:12:48 | |
So this may not be what you're asking or saying, Karen. | 01:13:03 | |
But it's interesting it seemed to me that Sharon, Toby and Joe all identify strongest with eight that correct which is really I | 01:13:08 | |
mean that that's. | 01:13:14 | |
That is. | 01:13:21 | |
Really good information. | 01:13:24 | |
And then? | 01:13:27 | |
Brian, I mean you know how I'm sorry if I'm putting a spot would after this because I know you had three that were kind of close. | 01:13:28 | |
Is there one you're identifying more strongly with no, I mean honestly I mean I was, I mean two and three were. | 01:13:35 | |
Right. Together, yeah. And then seven was a little further back. So I mean, and that feels right, I mean, you know. | 01:13:42 | |
And I was also two and three were near the top for me as well, very close, just within a few points. | 01:13:50 | |
So it's it's just really. I guess where it gets interesting is the dynamics between. | 01:13:57 | |
The different the different approaches you know and how and how to be most how to be most efficient in that regard too so. | 01:14:03 | |
Notice number six references at the end of paragraph. Two team player. | 01:14:13 | |
I mean, obviously for mayor, council staff, everybody to function together, everybody needs to be somewhat on the 6th spectrum I | 01:14:18 | |
presume. And for me, I was a 17 on a six. | 01:14:24 | |
OK, well, and I think on a team, that's true, They are a team player, but also, you know, the twos. | 01:14:33 | |
The threes want to get things done. | 01:14:42 | |
They want to make things happen, choose want to serve others and help them. | 01:14:46 | |
So I think there are a lot of aspects that you can look at. You wouldn't have to have a six, but you could have someone else who's | 01:14:52 | |
the two and wants to serve or through who just wants to get things done. | 01:14:58 | |
I think that would be also positive and threes actually moved to six when they're in health. | 01:15:06 | |
You know, it's it's like that's their sweet spot. They can. They're not just functioning for themselves, they become a team | 01:15:13 | |
player. So if you've got threes on the team who are very healthy, they're going to be at a six anyway when they're healthy. So you | 01:15:21 | |
don't have to be a six. You can be moving that way, if that makes sense. | 01:15:28 | |
Or A7 with A6 wing. But yeah, I did see just a high number of people who have those adaptive hearts nines. | 01:15:36 | |
Are so good to have on a team. Nuns often are very deep thinkers. | 01:15:46 | |
If they're. | 01:15:52 | |
I know my husband is a 3, and when he had to do evaluations, we're on staff with the Navigators, which is a nonprofit | 01:15:55 | |
organization, and as a divisional leader, he would travel to all the different college campuses. | 01:16:02 | |
And do evaluations of their campus ministries. And he would sometimes ask me to go along. And I felt like, well, I'm not part of | 01:16:10 | |
the evaluation. I don't really know what's going on on their campus. How would I be useful? And so I was. | 01:16:18 | |
Kind of slightly resentful and didn't want to do it, but I did and I realized that just sitting there and being quiet and being in | 01:16:26 | |
this situation. | 01:16:30 | |
I probably picked up a lot of stuff that no one else saw, and my husband really values that so I could. | 01:16:35 | |
Say things that I had observed that maybe nobody else had picked up because they weren't listening for that, You know, I could | 01:16:44 | |
tell this person. | 01:16:48 | |
Looked hurt, but they said the right. | 01:16:53 | |
So nuns are very intuitive. I mean their gut people, and they can bring a lot to a team in that if they're paying attention, they | 01:16:57 | |
can see tensions where others are missing them. They can see her feelings. I think every team would need nines. | 01:17:05 | |
To function well, I think it's a good lesson for us in terms of thinking about our format, because you almost have to make room. | 01:17:14 | |
For that processing in a safe place for that to come out, it seems like whereas we're making a lot of fast decisions and. | 01:17:22 | |
Move on to the next thing and OK, here's. | 01:17:28 | |
All right, make a comment. Here's 4 seconds. Or, you know, or we're boom, bang the gavel, take the vote and move on to the next | 01:17:31 | |
thing. So I think there's. | 01:17:35 | |
It's it's great to know that that there's members of the city with that mentality because. | 01:17:40 | |
I could see it could be totally frustrating if you don't feel like time is being left for you to be heard when you're processing | 01:17:46 | |
and thinking deeply about things. That's a great observation, and I think that's really true in that sometimes if you can. | 01:17:52 | |
If nods just a little bit of time and I know some decisions need to be made quickly but if you can even bring them up or send them | 01:17:59 | |
out in the memo before like these will be the decisions that we're going to be talking about to give them time. I know if I don't | 01:18:07 | |
feel I have the time in Group situation, I'll just say I don't you know and and I mean it at some level I don't care, it's fine | 01:18:15 | |
whatever you want to do you know that's just kind of my go to thing but if I know that somebody really wants to hear from me. | 01:18:23 | |
I can step up and show up, but I need time. I would have to say most nuns that I know are slow processors. It's it's not that | 01:18:32 | |
they're slow, but it just takes them a while to go through the layers of everything they've heard and to kind of act through it. | 01:18:40 | |
But actually, nines can have very deep insights into things. It just takes them longer to get there. And threes, probably, | 01:18:48 | |
possibly threes and sevens are the quickest thinkers. | 01:18:55 | |
Possibly AIDS too. They're assertive, they want to get things done, so they're moving quickly and. | 01:19:04 | |
You know, over the years of marriage, my husband has really come to value what I will. | 01:19:12 | |
Say about a situation and he knows that I can't just tell him like that. But also it's like, hey, I need to make a decision on | 01:19:20 | |
this. Could you take a day to think about it and then give me your input? Because I really want it and that makes me feel valued | 01:19:28 | |
and it also makes me step up rather than just abdicate and say, oh, it doesn't matter to me, whatever, is fine. Because for | 01:19:35 | |
nonsense it's kind of easier, you know, to just check out, but then we're not. | 01:19:42 | |
Bringing all of who we are. | 01:19:50 | |
And and what we can offer to. | 01:19:52 | |
And sometimes that's a wonderful feeling, to realize that you've taken something deeper and shared something that maybe nobody | 01:19:56 | |
else got the first time around. If that makes sense. | 01:20:01 | |
I'd say it, in past jobs I've had, I've done similar type things like this. | 01:20:07 | |
I think the importance of nods in our past experiences is that nines will help you to not make grass decisions, rash decisions | 01:20:14 | |
that sometimes will. | 01:20:19 | |
Give you the outcome that you int. | 01:20:27 | |
But you're making a decision but a nine. | 01:20:30 | |
Further down the road and process it. | 01:20:33 | |
And if they have that chance to speak up and boys. | 01:20:36 | |
They will point. | 01:20:41 | |
Farther out, obstacles that you may not be able to see in the short end, Yeah, that's a really good observation. I think that's | 01:20:44 | |
really accurate. | 01:20:48 | |
So with so many nines on your team to just figure out how to incorporate their voice into things that are upcoming that our | 01:20:53 | |
decisions you have to make would probably be really insightful and helpful. | 01:21:00 | |
And one thing, I wasn't sure we have time today, so I didn't really prepare notes, but. | 01:21:08 | |
I would like to throw out there. | 01:21:13 | |
There are. There's another way to look at the Enneagram, the instinctual variant. | 01:21:16 | |
And what that means is basically there are three and any number can be one of the three and. | 01:21:22 | |
Their social self preservation and the third one in most books is referred to as sexual. But that sounds it doesn't mean that it's | 01:21:29 | |
also called 1 to 1. And so in work settings that's more appropriate to use that one but it's kind of the way you're geared and any | 01:21:37 | |
number can be any one of those. But the social does not mean hey, I'm a social butterfly. It means you want to be part of a team | 01:21:45 | |
and you want everyone on the team to succeed. | 01:21:52 | |
You know it's not about I want to be in control. It's about. | 01:22:00 | |
The team leader would would just feel like a huge success if everyone on the team feels successful. It's about building a team, | 01:22:05 | |
making things run smoothly. | 01:22:10 | |
The self preservation is a little bit like what it sounds it's about, you know, they're very good at taking care of practical | 01:22:16 | |
matters, making things happen, getting things done. But it's going to be more of an inward focus, not just on themselves, but on | 01:22:24 | |
details and things like that. And the one to one people bring it energy and a creativity. | 01:22:31 | |
To something. So sometimes you may have people that you connect with in an organization that are not your number, but they're all | 01:22:39 | |
on the same page and how they want to move forward. | 01:22:45 | |
If you're social, you're you're constantly thinking about how to develop your team. What's going to make every person on your team | 01:22:53 | |
feel successful, what that's going to look like, what they need to succeed, how you can all work together. A self preservation | 01:22:59 | |
person is going to be paying attention to. | 01:23:05 | |
The individual needs what's practical. This is too much for this meeting. We're not going to get all that done. These people look | 01:23:13 | |
tired. Maybe I can go get a snack form. You know, they're going to be very focused on getting those things done. They want to know | 01:23:19 | |
what their job is and they want to do it well. | 01:23:24 | |
And then the the one to one people are about bringing the energy and the dynamic. | 01:23:31 | |
To the to the place, You know what? What needs to happen here? What makes us feel alive? How can we push the limits just a little | 01:23:38 | |
bit more to get everything done that needs to get done. So I know that's a very brief summary of those, but do any of those | 01:23:44 | |
resonate with you all? | 01:23:51 | |
One of those more than the other. | 01:23:58 | |
Yes. | 01:24:02 | |
Well, and I thought about this before and I appreciate you putting it in the work. | 01:24:06 | |
Perspective, because I've always just thought of it as. | 01:24:11 | |
I relate to people or how I enjoy being in social settings. | 01:24:14 | |
And I'm definitely the one-on-one. | 01:24:18 | |
And yeah, it's interesting. Yeah. So I really like. I've never thought about it from a work perspective. Yeah, I thought about it | 01:24:23 | |
with my. | 01:24:27 | |
Partners, yeah. And there can be some big differences, yeah. | 01:24:32 | |
So no. And and that is I think often you will find a lot of different of the numbers working together. Say in an organization | 01:24:37 | |
there can be a whole bunch of different numbers working together, but maybe if it's a social type, you know. | 01:24:45 | |
They're brought together by a common goal and a common outlook on life, like teachers or, you know, just different people like you | 01:24:54 | |
all. I would think there would be a high number of socials here. Not that it would everybody would need to be one, but you know, | 01:25:00 | |
you want to build a team, you want everybody to work together. You want to know what that's going to look like going forward and | 01:25:06 | |
how to make each member successful. | 01:25:12 | |
The one to one people bring some energy and drive and creative ideas and they make sure things never get stagnant. You know | 01:25:19 | |
they're going to keep throwing stuff out there. The self preservation people. | 01:25:25 | |
They're able to see the practical aspects. How is this going to work? What needs to be done? OK, that's a great idea, but how are | 01:25:33 | |
we going to get from point A to point B? And what are the steps that need to be done there? They're hard workers and they want to | 01:25:38 | |
make things happen. | 01:25:44 | |
But. | 01:25:49 | |
Everybody needs to be brought into that because if you have too many of one type, the momentum can get carried that way and then | 01:25:51 | |
the ones that are outside of that can. | 01:25:57 | |
Like, well, what do I have to offer here if that matters? | 01:26:04 | |
Yeah, it's. I mean, the social really resonates with me. I mean, like every organization or anything I've been involved with, | 01:26:08 | |
that's sort of how my brain works. But as you get more into more professional roles, you realize you can do all that you want to. | 01:26:13 | |
But if there's no nobody with a practical mind associated with it, then things sort of fall apart. | 01:26:18 | |
That's a great observation. | 01:26:25 | |
And I think the same way I hit all three categories earlier. | 01:26:27 | |
I believe that I'm a little bit of all three of these as well, just, I mean, so I want to do my job and I want to do it very well. | 01:26:33 | |
I want to be the best at what I do. I also bring up generally bring a lot of energy to what I'm doing and when I'm in a a setting | 01:26:39 | |
I want to, I want to help everybody be the best that they can be. So, well, that's great. Sounds like an Indian Grand Prix. Yeah, | 01:26:45 | |
bringing it all. | 01:26:52 | |
OK, well then let's look for a minute at the the tips for relating to the different numbers. | 01:27:00 | |
I thought this was particularly helpful the first time that I read through these, because sometimes. | 01:27:09 | |
I won't ask for names or anything, but there's always somebody on your team. | 01:27:18 | |
Is harder. | 01:27:23 | |
See eye to eye with You know, it doesn't mean you fight with him necessarily, but you just always know that it's it's not going to | 01:27:25 | |
go as smoothly as it does with this person. | 01:27:30 | |
And so as you figure out what you are and are able to share that with one another, then you can look through these. | 01:27:36 | |
And I'll just ask anybody in here, let's just go through if anybody's willing to share. If you kind of are identifying as an 8 | 01:27:44 | |
under these things tips for relating to AIDS, which one of them ring true to you? | 01:27:50 | |
Which things do you wish your Co workers knew about you? | 01:27:58 | |
I'll, I guess I'll go I I, I because I've been accused of being too. | 01:28:17 | |
Aggressive. I'd like to say assertive that I have been aggressive. | 01:28:23 | |
And you know, it is brought me the wrong way because I don't tend to be. I think I'm just very driven and it comes across that | 01:28:27 | |
way. So I want people to know I'm not, I don't try not to be bossy. | 01:28:32 | |
I let my team know that we're on the same we're all playing together you know the same sandbox and try to make it work so. But I | 01:28:38 | |
think maybe outwardly there people have seen and think I'm aggressive and I think some of that's just I think all of us are a | 01:28:44 | |
bundle of our past experiences. And I was raised I'm an identical twin and so I was constantly trying to find my own identity and | 01:28:51 | |
that created a little bit of a of why I am the way I am. OK, thank you for sharing that. I think that's really just to read | 01:28:57 | |
through these and to be able to say. | 01:29:04 | |
And I don't mean to be bossy. This is just the way I'm wired together. And what I love about AIDS is that you can. | 01:29:11 | |
Pretty much say anything you want to them and not have them be offended, you know, because I mean in the sense that you can be | 01:29:19 | |
straightforward with them. You don't have to. Like, I feel like I'm always around some people trying to, oh, not offend them, say | 01:29:25 | |
certain things. But eights are very direct and they appreciate they respect people that will be direct and honest with them. Would | 01:29:31 | |
you say that's true? Yeah. And I would say that probably the, you know, that I tend to be direct and that can be taken the wrong | 01:29:37 | |
way. | 01:29:43 | |
Yeah. | 01:29:49 | |
Well, obviously, Sharon. | 01:29:51 | |
Like when you first said that you were an 8, I was a little surprised because like, I don't think of you as being an aggressive. | 01:29:54 | |
Like my perception of you is that you just get everything done and that you're a super hard worker. But I can tell you really care | 01:30:01 | |
about people and so. | 01:30:06 | |
But the more I've been sitting and thinking about, I'm like, Oh yeah, yeah, of course, Sharon today, that's how she's able to get | 01:30:12 | |
the mass amounts of things done. And also like things that sometimes I was like, oh, wonder if she's won because I'm an 8 and A1. | 01:30:19 | |
That black and white, I think you're, you know, would say you're more of a black and white thinker, but but I'm just saying I | 01:30:26 | |
don't see any. You seem very approachable to me. You don't see them at all. The the kind of sometimes negative things of an 8 I | 01:30:31 | |
don't perceive with you. | 01:30:36 | |
Well, good. Yes, I think you hit the nail in the head by talking about the aides who care about people, which is one of the ones I | 01:30:42 | |
underlined. I also underline don't take too personally. | 01:30:47 | |
You know, Omdirect or Sharon's director, whoever is. | 01:30:52 | |
You know, it's because we care into breadth point earlier. You want everybody to be the best they can be and you hold yourself to | 01:30:56 | |
that same standard. | 01:31:00 | |
It has to be perfect all the time. No, we have the need to think people. So when we feel like we disappointed somebody or you | 01:31:14 | |
know, quickly shut down the idea that. | 01:31:18 | |
Media Accounting I. | 01:31:23 | |
Yeah, that's thank you for sharing that. And I think that can be true. If you don't have a lot of confidence or if somebody is in | 01:31:25 | |
a position above you and they have a strong idea, it is easier just. | 01:31:32 | |
Abdicate and go along with it rather than fight back. If that's not your nature to do that, twos tend to move towards 8 when | 01:31:40 | |
you're under a lot of stress. | 01:31:45 | |
But that's very uncomfortable for them. I mean, they can come back and attack right back. | 01:31:51 | |
But but that's because they're really stressed out and then they don't feel good about themselves or about how that played out. | 01:31:57 | |
Would you say you thought you might be a too? | 01:32:02 | |
OK. | 01:32:13 | |
Have to just a little further investigation. | 01:32:18 | |
And I feel like you're totally engaged in an event and like, it's hard. | 01:32:23 | |
You get off a total 85, yes, like. I mean, like, you know, like possibly like. | 01:32:27 | |
And I forgot it and I just need you to do what you supposed to do. You know citizens and when you said that about two years | 01:32:34 | |
important eight because I might I've seen better sides of you and it's really interesting you know that it's like this which turns | 01:32:39 | |
on and you can you just anyway so so did anything. | 01:32:43 | |
I think we were. | 01:32:53 | |
Referencing an 8. | 01:32:54 | |
Not taking stuff like personally. | 01:32:56 | |
I grew up in a military background. My father was in the military for 22 years. So. | 01:33:00 | |
From the time I was born until eighth grade, he was a military. | 01:33:05 | |
So we've moved every 16 to 18 months. | 01:33:09 | |
To a different location. | 01:33:15 | |
You know, even though everybody's in the same boat. | 01:33:17 | |
I think part of me being that leaning towards that aid and not taking it so personal and not. | 01:33:19 | |
Being able. | 01:33:28 | |
Take that. | 01:33:30 | |
Growing up in that background, yeah. | 01:33:32 | |
You know, being able to brush stuff off and just, yeah, keep going, so. | 01:33:35 | |
That makes sense. | 01:33:40 | |
That people that you're dealing with in your day-to-day jobs who are like, deeply rooted, you know, they can like, here's my | 01:33:49 | |
thing, here's my precious piece of property, or here's my precious business or here's my, you know, here's this thing that I'm | 01:33:54 | |
totally invested in, right? | 01:34:00 | |
Yeah. You know you've got, you're breaking this different perspective to the table from where you are which is you know, it's | 01:34:06 | |
really interesting, you know so whether it's this business that they started or this building that they've had forever or this | 01:34:12 | |
thing that has been the same way and and we're kind of a change agent in that, you know so. So it is interesting to hear you | 01:34:18 | |
reflect some of that versus you know sometimes what your role is where. | 01:34:23 | |
Bumping into people who sort of have. | 01:34:30 | |
Whether it's on the images or not, because vastly different mentality. | 01:34:33 | |
The other side of what they're doing. | 01:34:37 | |
So I had about had a thought about either side of that. | 01:34:41 | |
Well, and that's the thing, even, that people that don't know anything about the Enneagram, the whole idea. | 01:34:46 | |
Of it. | 01:34:54 | |
To be present in the moment when you can stop and be present and just kind of sense, OK, this is not where this person is coming | 01:34:56 | |
from. They're not coming from where I am. | 01:35:02 | |
What could be going on with them? It gives you a different perspective. It opens up a different way to approach them, to ask them | 01:35:08 | |
questions, and to just kind of. | 01:35:13 | |
Sense where they might be coming from. | 01:35:19 | |
Yeah, knowledge of this is great, but just whether you have knowledge of this or not, that just puts you in a position to not do | 01:35:22 | |
what you've always done because it's comfortable to you, but to actually look at it from their perspective and to be able to | 01:35:28 | |
listen from a different perspective. | 01:35:33 | |
I do think and and this week's I mean I don't sit in staff meeting but it is interesting that we is like thinking about the | 01:35:41 | |
dynamic it seems like you have the the eight the very aggressive stance and then you have the withdrawal stances and so and not | 01:35:48 | |
really much in between like it's like withdrawing. | 01:35:54 | |
But yeah, I guess there are some beautiful mixed in there but to to make sure as an aggressive stance. | 01:36:03 | |
To to leave. And honestly, the same in council. I'm not an 8, but a three is in the aggressive stance and is, you know, moving | 01:36:10 | |
things along, which is probably why I'm very comfortable with AIDS. I'm married to an 8. I'm like Jerry's. | 01:36:17 | |
To figure out how we can leave that space. | 01:36:25 | |
For like I so appreciate. I think Chuck, Connie and Jeff are all and more of the withdrawing. | 01:36:28 | |
Or beautiful stances. | 01:36:36 | |
And so y'all are tend to be quieter behind the diocese. | 01:36:39 | |
And. | 01:36:45 | |
But whenever y'all do. | 01:36:47 | |
I think there's such thoughtfulness to it and such insight, and I know I value that greatly, and so I don't know if. | 01:36:49 | |
If on the council side of. | 01:36:59 | |
If y'all have feel like you have, I mean I know we get that we get the packet in advance, we get that you know we have we should | 01:37:01 | |
have time to process stuff. I also know that we all be very busy lives and there have been days that Wednesday is the day that I | 01:37:07 | |
am sitting down and reviewing the packet. I mean just being real about it so. | 01:37:13 | |
I guess I'm just saying, hey, if y'all are ever like Christine, like aggressive stance, ready to move things along, I need more | 01:37:21 | |
space. I want to be open to that and to hear that and to, you know, make room for that. | 01:37:26 | |
That sounds good. Well, let's look then we I just started because these are the ones on the page, but because eights are the most | 01:37:35 | |
assertive and nines are, I won't say the most withdrawn, but they are one of the withdrawn groups. How do you all that identify as | 01:37:42 | |
nuns or or feel like that's a high one? | 01:37:48 | |
What are those things that stand out to you that you wish others would take into consideration when they're working with you or | 01:37:55 | |
you're working with them? | 01:37:59 | |
So I'm not a nine, but I have a nine who is my city. And I will say that I know that I feel from I feel her at wanting me to slow | 01:38:26 | |
down and to set more. And I don't have, I don't really feel like I have the time and I try really hard. We try to do lunch or we | 01:38:33 | |
try, but I know that's something she needs and something that I tried really hard to give and occasionally I hit I'll pick that | 01:38:40 | |
up, but that's I think that's something I recognize actually. I think you do very well with that too. I do tend to be. | 01:38:48 | |
More withdrawn. | 01:38:56 | |
And since something. | 01:38:57 | |
We'll try to work on but. | 01:39:00 | |
Sometimes it's just easier I don't feel like. | 01:39:03 | |
My voice needs to be heard. I just feel like I just need to do. | 01:39:07 | |
And that's what I like. | 01:39:11 | |
You make the perfect clerk, though. I mean, you're very attentive. I mean very, very attentive. Your your notes are always | 01:39:15 | |
flawless. I mean it's. | 01:39:19 | |
You know, but you know and and it's very humbling, you know, to sit and watch. | 01:39:24 | |
How? | 01:39:30 | |
You love so much in sports, so much from behind. | 01:39:32 | |
And very, very seldom we take the credit for all the stuff you do. | 01:39:35 | |
One sharing your credit. When you have new people come in, you know, everyone's like how busy you are, often said. | 01:39:40 | |
She is very busy with a few scheduled time with her, like she's all yours. So schedule it and we'll get you attention you need. So | 01:39:47 | |
you are good at that, yes? | 01:39:51 | |
I agree. | 01:39:56 | |
I have to say I was a little shocked that Chuck was a nine. | 01:39:58 | |
And I don't spend a lot of time, but just from him managing a business for so long, I was a little. | 01:40:02 | |
I was surprised that he was. | 01:40:09 | |
Well the interesting thing about nines is that in health non smooth. | 01:40:11 | |
2-3 and they moved to like the good side of the three. They get things done, they run things, things run smoothly, they accomplish | 01:40:17 | |
a lot. But they're not doing it for the same reason that a three would. They're not trying to look successful and have everybody | 01:40:24 | |
value. | 01:40:30 | |
They're just getting stuff done and they feel a real joy in that. And so, you know, that's probably the side you see of Chuck is | 01:40:37 | |
that he is getting things done and he can run things. Three's actually. I mean nine's actually. | 01:40:45 | |
Run things very well and they can be very peaceful about it. They can do some of the things that none do and check out and not | 01:40:53 | |
want to deal with conflict, but they can make things happen when they want to. I think that's the thing we forget sometimes is | 01:41:00 | |
that we do have a way that we function in our strength, in our health. | 01:41:07 | |
It doesn't mean we stop being that number that we are, but it just means we take on the attributes. | 01:41:15 | |
The healthy side of another member without taking on all the bad stuff, so to speak. And when you're in stress you go to | 01:41:23 | |
somewhere. It's kind of like your blow off steam valve. You go to a number that's really not like you at all. A nine would go to a | 01:41:30 | |
six because nines don't tend to worry a lot and be anxious and do all that, but that's where they go to. Does that bring true | 01:41:38 | |
Chuck, If you're under stress, there's a lot more anxiety and. | 01:41:45 | |
You're just not sure it's the right thing you want to do the right thing, you're more fearful or things like that. | 01:41:54 | |
And then you know and then lastly is the one, so nine, six and one, well one could be if you're a nine, see I'm a nine with A1 | 01:42:01 | |
wing, the one could be. | 01:42:06 | |
Your seasoning package that you know, I tend to. I can be judgmental at times. I usually keep it to myself, but it's right there | 01:42:12 | |
under the surface because I have that black and white of a nine at times. | 01:42:19 | |
OK. Any ones I don't, I'll go through the ones I will skip, like fours or fives if you're not there. | 01:42:37 | |
For anyone that identified as a one to these, I was close to tide for my second OK, 27 on a 22 on a three and 20 on the one. OK, | 01:42:44 | |
OK, so any of these are and we don't have to do them go by, go through them one by one. But as you're looking through any of | 01:42:51 | |
these, especially pertaining to the ones that you must feel you identify with, what are some of the tips that you wish others knew | 01:42:57 | |
about you? | 01:43:04 | |
One was my second highest. I only got like 2 points. And I would say sort of again, just the way I was raised, my mom, I would say | 01:43:23 | |
my mom and my dad were very. | 01:43:28 | |
Trying to drive us, they would. | 01:43:35 | |
But I think it can be taken there. It can be taken that whole place. I've worked really hard at that I. | 01:44:10 | |
That's great. | 01:44:16 | |
It makes sense for an attorney to be a one. | 01:44:21 | |
Black and white. | 01:44:25 | |
I suffer a little bit from the black and white. Brian has used the word context with me a number of times over the years, but he | 01:44:26 | |
may have used it with Sharon once or twice too. He always likes to tell me I. | 01:44:32 | |
He's right. I don't like Gray. | 01:44:37 | |
Yeah, Yeah. And and I think you look at it two ways, right? That's a point of conflict or it can be a point of harmony, right. You | 01:44:41 | |
know, so there's some. | 01:44:45 | |
You know, there's some of us back here who are very comfortable living in the Gray. There's some who aren't. And, you know, I like | 01:44:50 | |
to think we can find the right mix of that together, You know, if it's all black and white. | 01:44:55 | |
It's, you know, that may as well be an engineering firm instead of a City Council, you know, Right. So there's, you know, it's | 01:45:00 | |
you've got to, we've got to find a way that we can do both. | 01:45:04 | |
But umm. | 01:45:10 | |
But I think in the, you know, I think we've been pretty intentional about the roles that we've got people in because there are | 01:45:12 | |
things. | 01:45:15 | |
If you don't have anybody who's. | 01:45:18 | |
Black and white and detail driven then your your whole operation is a mess. So you know I can all day long push things and try to | 01:45:21 | |
get things done, but if we never take a deep breath to document. | 01:45:26 | |
How we got there, while we're doing it, you know what the, what the right policies and procedures are, then it's going to be a hot | 01:45:31 | |
mess or things fall apart, you know, so. | 01:45:35 | |
That's what I like about. I think we have a really, you know, well-rounded team, you know? | 01:45:40 | |
You know, in terms of the skill sets that we have in the city. | 01:45:46 | |
There's my compliment that I offered as a 2. | 01:45:50 | |
To everybody in the room, right? | 01:45:53 | |
It does take a little bit of everybody to make the world go round. Yeah, no one perfect person is perfect and so you know it. | 01:45:56 | |
All all types of people. | 01:46:06 | |
To. | 01:46:09 | |
Yeah. And I think that's the idea is, you know, what do we learn about each other going through this where you can kind of take | 01:46:10 | |
that shortcut or recognize, OK, this is my moment when I'm not at my best, or this is their moment when they're not at their best | 01:46:14 | |
and realize, hey, it's. | 01:46:17 | |
What do we do to, what do we do to offset or deal with that? You know, that's the power of these processes in my mind for | 01:46:21 | |
organizations. | 01:46:25 | |
As leaders, since I'm high on one, Sharon's very high on one, things resonate here is. | 01:46:30 | |
To create rapport, respect their integrity and take things seriously. Sharon takes everything very seriously. She wants it to be | 01:46:37 | |
perfect. I tend to have those characteristics as well. | 01:46:42 | |
And so, I mean, that's why in part, she is your manager. She takes the responsibilities very seriously. | 01:46:48 | |
Well, and how helpful it is just to be able to as you read through these even if you're not 100% sure what everybody is? | 01:47:02 | |
These are good things to just keep in mind. You probably have a strong sense of, you know, oh, this person does do things black | 01:47:10 | |
and white, get things done. So let me just be careful to consider this about them, the ones that are more withdrawn to to try to | 01:47:16 | |
draw them anymore. | 01:47:22 | |
Just to have these tips, did you read through? And, you know, in your own personal time you can even jot down, oh, I should do | 01:47:30 | |
this a little more for Christine or I bet Connie would like it if I did this. | 01:47:36 | |
You know, just write these things down as you're present with them to just pay attention. Sometimes we miss a lot and not being | 01:47:42 | |
present, we don't see how somebody maybe. | 01:47:48 | |
Immediately agrees with us because they don't want conflict or it's too much. And so that might be if you know that they have a | 01:47:55 | |
tendency to be a nun and you see, I'm just immediately agree with you, you could say, hey, but tell me what you think. | 01:48:03 | |
What do you see might be the shortcomings of this idea? | 01:48:12 | |
We can engage one another in ways that bring us all to be present, because I think the withdrawing numbers in general. | 01:48:17 | |
I won't say tend to be less present. | 01:48:26 | |
But that's just kind of a place where they live a lot of their. | 01:48:28 | |
But on the other hand, even the assertive numbers cannot be present because they're so busy getting their plans done that they're | 01:48:33 | |
not slowing down. | 01:48:38 | |
To to be present in the moment because they just want to get stuff done. So that would be, I think the goal of how you guys could | 01:48:43 | |
figure out how could we use this, you know, just for you individually. You may just make notes for yourself. | 01:48:51 | |
Here's how I would like to use this in the coming weeks. You know, who would I like to pay a little attention to? | 01:48:59 | |
And see what they might need from. | 01:49:06 | |
I don't know exactly how all of you work together, but I'm sure there are times when you do come together that maybe. | 01:49:10 | |
Some people were easier to work with than others. Or you sometimes feel like I just feel like we're missing each other and that | 01:49:18 | |
might be the people to be thinking about how you could. | 01:49:23 | |
You know, take some of these tips and move towards them that way. | 01:49:29 | |
If that makes sense. | 01:49:34 | |
Question. Oh yeah, yeah. | 01:49:37 | |
This is my highest score of the tie between three different numbers. | 01:49:39 | |
And they're all in three different. | 01:49:44 | |
Categories. What are they, 290? | 01:49:45 | |
296 OK. I was curious are. | 01:49:50 | |
Many of us are. In general, do people have three highest numbers, or some people just one number or two number or what? | 01:49:53 | |
I mean, again, this, this shows patterns. The test shows patterns. I think sometimes that can be confusing. It's not like you take | 01:50:02 | |
the test and that's who you are. Those would be 3 numbers for you to really look at a little more on your own time. You know the | 01:50:09 | |
enneagraminstitute.com, I think it is. They have excellent material. It's and and you can do a little reading on each if you don't | 01:50:17 | |
want to get a book or anything. They just have really good material and it's very sound. | 01:50:24 | |
You can go there and you. | 01:50:33 | |
Look up those 3 numbers and one of them, the nine in the six, intrigues me because those are related. | 01:50:35 | |
You know a nine goes to six and stress A6 goes to 9 in health. So the fact that those two or two of your highs. | 01:50:43 | |
Would make me tend to think. | 01:50:52 | |
You might be a nine or a six. Now the two could be you're just a genuinely helpful person and and that that you tested high in | 01:50:56 | |
that as well. So, but to start with those 3 numbers, one feature of that site that I really like it, you can look up and say how | 01:51:04 | |
A2 and a nine look alike, but how they're different and that will actually really help you think, oh OK then I'm more this than | 01:51:12 | |
that. This resonates more with me. | 01:51:20 | |
Because some numbers outwardly. | 01:51:28 | |
Look very similar, but when you really, the Enneagram doesn't deal with behavior as much as it does motivation. | 01:51:30 | |
So only you. | 01:51:38 | |
You know what your motivation is behind something as opposed to, but taking the test, it may come up. | 01:51:41 | |
Very skewed like. | 01:51:49 | |
Although that's not as cute as you would think in terms. | 01:51:51 | |
Some of those characteristics would be very simple similar. | 01:51:55 | |
Easy to be around. Helpful. Dutiful. Those are probably all characteristics of your life. | 01:51:59 | |
It's just as you look at it and see the things that. | 01:52:06 | |
Hold you back. | 01:52:12 | |
Make you feel uncomfortable might resonate. One might resonate more than the other, if that makes sense. | 01:52:14 | |
Are there any other thoughts or questions? | 01:52:23 | |
Karen, how have you seen organizations? | 01:52:26 | |
Use this or have you seen you know on an ongoing basis to? | 01:52:28 | |
To maximize effectiveness or harmony among teams. | 01:52:33 | |
Well, just now and I don't usually do it. | 01:52:38 | |
Big corporations. The one thing I did with Chick-fil-A, I didn't really enjoy that. If I'm real honest, that was just a little hot | 01:52:43 | |
corporate for me. But it was interesting after that talk with. | 01:52:48 | |
One of the the team leader's wife. I had met her in a seminar and a year after that she got in touch with me to say. | 01:52:56 | |
Three of the people on that team started really utilizing these concepts. | 01:53:07 | |
And now they. | 01:53:13 | |
Have moved way higher up in the. | 01:53:15 | |
And two of them thought it was kind of lame and didn't really do anything. And they're fine. They're exactly where they are. And | 01:53:19 | |
she said. But but it's really insightful and taking these things to heart and incorporating them. | 01:53:26 | |
Really made a. | 01:53:34 | |
And that was real sweet for me to hear because I didn't know how that went. | 01:53:36 | |
But I've done it with a lot. | 01:53:42 | |
Campus ministry directors and their. | 01:53:45 | |
And it feels like they've, they've had a language to discuss things with instead of coming and butting heads over and over. It's | 01:53:48 | |
like, well, I see because you're this, this is real important to you. And I've not been paying attention to that. I'm not wired | 01:53:55 | |
that way, you know. So how could I help you get this done in a way that you're comfortable with. So I think it's given dialogue | 01:54:02 | |
to. | 01:54:09 | |
To people who didn't know how to communicate about things, about stresses within the organization. So instead of, you know, | 01:54:18 | |
rolling your eyes or quietly holding in frustrations, you can approach it from a different perspective and be able to share things | 01:54:24 | |
in a way that others. | 01:54:30 | |
Can relate to, you know, I know that you know you don't like to come out and state your opinion, but I really want to hear it, You | 01:54:38 | |
know, that would be good for a nine to hear or other numbers as well. Does that make sense? Just I feel like giving a language | 01:54:45 | |
that's non threatening in a way to talk about things. | 01:54:52 | |
I mean, you never want to do things like say, oh, you're such a one, you're so annoying. | 01:55:00 | |
Which it is possible and does happen. | 01:55:06 | |
But umm. | 01:55:11 | |
I think in general it can be really helpful for people to. | 01:55:13 | |
Interact in a way in a new way, and to be able to have a language to give voice to those differences. | 01:55:18 | |
I hope that's helpful. | 01:55:28 | |
Yeah, Thank you. Yeah. To me it seems, I mean, it's just another tool in our toolbox. Yeah, the way to and and and I think we all | 01:55:30 | |
strive. | 01:55:33 | |
All of us in this room strive, we're all in public service in one form or another. Yeah, and so. | 01:55:38 | |
Constantly trying to find a way to improve and try to figure out a better way. You know, I don't like angst. I'd rather not have | 01:55:44 | |
somebody coming in here screaming at me. I'd. | 01:55:48 | |
Had that often ahead of time by doing the, you know figuring out what needs to be done and so but understanding when we do have | 01:55:51 | |
those people how we can better. | 01:55:56 | |
Work with them and react to them and and meet their meet them halfway or meet their need. And so I think it's it's real insightful | 01:56:00 | |
really like having this well and then remember and I guess in moments of stress to you know like I think that's also a lot of | 01:56:06 | |
times we have events we have may have through the years we've obviously had different challenges. | 01:56:12 | |
Also give you a place to look at. OK, this is when. | 01:56:19 | |
This is the trigger for me to watch for when I'm at my worst. You know? OK, this is, you know some. | 01:56:21 | |
On the line here. So that's that's helpful to me, you know? | 01:56:27 | |
One of the little books over there. | 01:56:30 | |
I mean, there's a lot of really good books over here, but this one is kind of a fun one. | 01:56:36 | |
And it's basically, it will have little cartoons. And there's one that I always thought was really funny. It's like people before | 01:56:45 | |
a party. | 01:56:49 | |
And like what? Just little cartoons of what they're thinking. And then a few pages over, it's people after the party and you go | 01:56:54 | |
through them again, what they're thinking. And the one for the seven, the box is empty because they're still at the party. | 01:57:01 | |
So it's just kind of a fun little book, you know? If you wanted a resource that would just be fun but insightful. That one's nice. | 01:57:10 | |
I've done a lot of workshops. The same author did one. | 01:57:17 | |
For the Enneagram of parenting, and I can't tell you how many young families have said it's been so helpful because it's you're | 01:57:24 | |
not trying to put your kid in a category. But you read through and it's like if your child exhibits these behaviors, they might be | 01:57:32 | |
this and this is maybe how you motivate them to do homework or to get chores done. And I had one mom. | 01:57:40 | |
Who is really an executive type And she just butted heads all the time with her seven-year old daughter and she was a three and | 01:57:48 | |
she figured out that her daughter was probably an 8. | 01:57:54 | |
And so they were just colliding all the time. | 01:58:01 | |
And she said after doing that, it was like, oh, I realized where our weak points were. And I started approaching her this way and | 01:58:04 | |
things are going so much better. So I think. | 01:58:10 | |
Parenting and I have adult children now, but two of them are really interested in Enneagram, and that's given us a great way to | 01:58:17 | |
talk about issues in their life that probably we wouldn't necessarily talk about if we didn't have this kind of language to do it. | 01:58:26 | |
So feel free to look through those books over there. I just, I always like to bring them because people often ask me what book | 01:58:35 | |
would you recommend? These are some of my favorites. But again, the Enneagram Institute has wonderful information and that won't | 01:58:42 | |
cost anything. You just go on their website, that's the website you would have taken the test on. | 01:58:49 | |
Having come from, I worked as a big corporations. | 01:58:59 | |
And what I'll say is you. | 01:59:04 | |
Management. Umm. | 01:59:07 | |
People tend. | 01:59:09 | |
Gravitate towards like minded people. | 01:59:10 | |
And when you have a big corporation, you have this one branch. | 01:59:13 | |
In this one area versus another and I'll use Lithonia lighting as an example that I work for. | 01:59:18 | |
You know, typically what happens is. | 01:59:24 | |
There becomes too much of that like minded. | 01:59:27 | |
Pursuit or Underst. | 01:59:31 | |
You know, that's when they send them their corporate headhunter. They call them headhunters, but they're basically coming in there | 01:59:33 | |
and cut, trimming fat and also. | 01:59:37 | |
Cutting away people and putting people in there to have a different perspective and. | 01:59:42 | |
Basically. | 01:59:47 | |
Restarting the engine to innovation and stuff like that. | 01:59:49 | |
And you know, I mean that's I think that's important for you know, not that. | 01:59:54 | |
You know, we all have the same goal, but. | 02:00:00 | |
Keeping that diversity. | 02:00:03 | |
Which is what I read into this is keeping that diversity gives you. | 02:00:04 | |
That engine continually running and yeah and you know knowing that that engine is healthy versus. | 02:00:09 | |
You know, you're only putting gas in it, putting the oil in it. So before long the gas will keep you going, but the oil sees up | 02:00:16 | |
and stop the engines. Yeah, that's a good analogy. | 02:00:21 | |
Well into I think. | 02:00:28 | |
We probably all have people that. | 02:00:31 | |
Naturally connect with and some that just serve naturally. Hard course to be around and sometimes this can give us a little more | 02:00:34 | |
insight into why that is. Just I'm worried this way, they're worried this way. This is probably the points of contention. | 02:00:41 | |
And so just to better understand those that you work with because you all are in a service industry and. | 02:00:49 | |
You care about the people you serve and the community you serve, and so you all are on the same page that way. But you're probably | 02:00:57 | |
coming at it from different perspectives, and the more you understand that and work together, then just the better the job will | 02:01:03 | |
be. | 02:01:09 | |
So I want to be respectful of the time, I think. | 02:01:16 | |
We're supposed to end at 11 was that correct? We have we do we have a little bit more time probably about half an hour if you if | 02:01:20 | |
there's no I'm, I'm fine. I just didn't want to. | 02:01:24 | |
Part about we keep going through this, yes, yes, yes. | 02:01:28 | |
So relating to twos, we could do twos and threes together because we'll probably skip fours and fives for right now, since I don't | 02:01:34 | |
think we had any. | 02:01:38 | |
Those are too short. | 02:01:43 | |
What are things that you appreciate about these types? | 02:01:58 | |
And and maybe things that you've not thought about but that. | 02:02:03 | |
You're like, oh, OK, when I'm around this group of people. | 02:02:08 | |
That's always hard for me. | 02:02:13 | |
Well I'll I mean I'll share so that I know the mayor and Christine are both twos or tend to be strong twos and I I really do and | 02:02:17 | |
this is going to be I really do appreciate both of them have taken time at least me personally. I know they've done it with the | 02:02:23 | |
other staff members as well and other council members even for that matter, you know writing notes or letting us know how you know | 02:02:29 | |
how we're doing and they appreciate us and all that and I just I've not I would say I'm not really good at take. I mean I I really | 02:02:35 | |
appreciate it. I really do. | 02:02:41 | |
I just feel very uncomfortable because I because it's because I'm here. I'm doing a job. I mean, and I appreciate that. It's kind | 02:02:48 | |
of an odd thing to say, but I'm just not used to taking in, you know, that kind of stuff. | 02:02:53 | |
Maybe that's where that's coming from, but uncomfortable. Yeah. So thank you. I appreciate that. | 02:03:30 | |
Another aspect of twos. I know that I underlined the word partnership. | 02:03:37 | |
You know, I've heard both Brian and Christine use the word collaboration or collaborative or similar. | 02:03:41 | |
Many times and it's that engaging and working together back again to the teamwork. | 02:03:47 | |
And and I guess Jeff you you were you were tied out but you're too as well, so you're not. | 02:03:53 | |
I try to be very nice, but I don't. | 02:04:02 | |
Write the cards as much as that standpoint. I don't mean that as. | 02:04:08 | |
You said nine and six, yeah? | 02:04:15 | |
And you could be more. | 02:04:20 | |
Just have a bent towards being a helper, a giver in the sense of it too. But maybe you're more in the nine and six category | 02:04:22 | |
because, you know, I'm, I'm a nine. I can write notes of encouragement, but sometimes I forget to do it. I'm right there with the | 02:04:28 | |
don't forget to do things. | 02:04:34 | |
I'm wondering if some of it is the combination of 2/3. | 02:04:42 | |
Like Brian was like we almost have to say 237. | 02:04:46 | |
Because threes also like two people. Like because we want to be valued, we're we're following the golden rule. We're doing to | 02:04:52 | |
others what we would want to be done and so letting you know so. | 02:04:58 | |
If I am feeling appreciation to someone, I say and it's genuine. It's not because I want to hear back, but I just. | 02:05:05 | |
Yeah. | 02:05:11 | |
Something that I appreciate and so I'm going to share it, but if it's too much let me know. | 02:05:13 | |
Genuine. Like. | 02:05:22 | |
So whatever, if I ever say I'm appreciative. | 02:05:25 | |
100% genuine thought. | 02:05:28 | |
Well, yeah, I mean, I think just, there's so much for me that's just rooted in gratitude to everybody who serves, you know, so I | 02:05:31 | |
mean. | 02:05:34 | |
I have a heart for service. I always have. But it kind of you know when I look around and I'm always kind of like blown away that | 02:05:38 | |
so many other people share that and it just it to me that's. | 02:05:42 | |
Powerful and inspiring, and I think it creates a really great heartbeat for our community. So yeah, I mean every time, every | 02:05:46 | |
meeting, every. | 02:05:49 | |
Time I intersect, that's that's my emotion is tends to be gratitude and thankfulness. | 02:05:53 | |
You know, because it's it's not easy. You know, it's no fun when every time you go out to eat and somebody asks you about what's | 02:05:59 | |
going on with blah, blah, blah. And I know we all deal with that, right? And you know, what's what's the, what's the situation | 02:06:04 | |
with this when you know sometimes, you know, hey, I just want to be a regular human being and not do that. But everybody here is | 02:06:10 | |
dealing with that every time they step foot outside outside this building and. | 02:06:16 | |
And that's that's not easy. And it's all a choice that we make and a sacrifice that we make. | 02:06:23 | |
You know, so I just, I have a lot of gratitude for everybody who tackles that because I know it's. I know it's not easy. So yeah, | 02:06:29 | |
echo what Christine said, you know it's. | 02:06:32 | |
But I think it's those relationships that. | 02:06:37 | |
Create the lubrication that makes it tolerable, right? If we didn't have those with each other and. | 02:06:39 | |
And we're doing it for our citizens and like, OK, why am I doing this? Is certainly not doing it. | 02:06:44 | |
For myself or you know, but it's what do we what's that? What's the magic that you create for the other people here that we're all | 02:06:49 | |
doing. So it's. | 02:06:53 | |
I think that's where the two came home for me, even though I wasn't thrilled when I first saw, it was kind of, yeah, at the end | 02:06:57 | |
that that does resonate. So you know. | 02:07:01 | |
I appreciate that. That's really good insight. | 02:07:06 | |
This is, you know, like I said. | 02:07:10 | |
I'm not overly flattering. | 02:07:12 | |
Maybe because I'm more introvert. | 02:07:15 | |
But some of it is realizing. | 02:07:19 | |
Like there's one here. Avoids conflic. | 02:07:21 | |
That's me. | 02:07:23 | |
To a tee. But I didn't ever. I honestly never realized I. | 02:07:26 | |
Until maybe was discovered a couple years ago. | 02:07:31 | |
And then kind of decide, OK, another problem. I'm going to say I have a problem. | 02:07:34 | |
It's amazing that. | 02:07:38 | |
You actually talked about it. Double doesn't become a boulder, you know, So it's like talking about it's uncomfortable at first, | 02:07:40 | |
but. | 02:07:43 | |
Yeah. And you move on and you're much happier. Yeah. And for me, that was not something that was. | 02:07:48 | |
That's an issue I had. | 02:07:54 | |
Once I realized that, it made it easier to say hey. | 02:07:56 | |
I. | 02:07:59 | |
Yeah. | 02:08:02 | |
I think that's the nice thing about this is realizing. | 02:08:03 | |
I didn't realize some of the things I. | 02:08:06 | |
Yeah. And I think that's really true. Sometimes we're hard on ourselves because we can compare ourselves to others that seem to be | 02:08:08 | |
strong in areas we're not. But we, we tend to all not think of ourselves. | 02:08:16 | |
For our own strengths, but like he said, as a nine, I don't like conflict at all and. | 02:08:24 | |
It. | 02:08:30 | |
Very powerful to be able to just say for me it's I started with just. | 02:08:33 | |
Hey, I'm angry. | 02:08:40 | |
You know, sometimes I couldn't even verbalize what was wrong initially, but just to acknowledge that to myself and then out loud. | 02:08:41 | |
Gave me that entry level point to start sharing those things and so I think that's great that you guys are aware of that. | 02:08:48 | |
Within this context, because I'm sure a lot of you have different opinions on how to achieve the same goals, and so to be able to | 02:08:55 | |
understand that everybody wants the same thing but you're coming at it from different points of view could be really helpful. | 02:09:04 | |
I mean, I think it's important to. | 02:09:14 | |
Fight for us. | 02:09:17 | |
Joe, Sharon and myself that measured high on. | 02:09:19 | |
Just because we're ace doesn't mean that we're align. | 02:09:23 | |
Because eights can have the difference of opinion, which means there's that conflict, just like, you know, people that are twos or | 02:09:26 | |
threes. | 02:09:31 | |
You know you have that conflict. | 02:09:35 | |
Because you're a three, but you're a three would. | 02:09:38 | |
With this thought and a three with this thought doesn't mean that all threes mesh together. All nine is mentioned guys. Exactly | 02:09:41 | |
true depending on. | 02:09:45 | |
You know where you stand on the subject if you are aligned and yes, you will gravitate in but. | 02:09:50 | |
You know, so understanding that just because you your rank a certain number, you see yourself as a certain number. | 02:09:57 | |
It's definitely within the situation. | 02:10:04 | |
Or the thought or what? | 02:10:07 | |
Whether you align on that as well, right, or whether it'll be, you know, it's just kind of the way you approach things, not | 02:10:10 | |
necessarily that you'll agree on on how everything should be done. | 02:10:16 | |
Well then how about the sixes and sevens for anybody that kind of want to look over those, we just do those. | 02:10:24 | |
The tough part of taking the test is sometimes I wanted to answer the question of what I think I want, what I want to be seeing, | 02:11:08 | |
what I am. So I tried to not think in answering the question. The first one that spoke to me is. | 02:11:14 | |
Very quickly and just went like. | 02:11:22 | |
I felt like I didn't relate to either one of them. Truthfully. I was like. | 02:11:26 | |
I didn't relate to yet likewise, but I think no good answer which was the less the worst answer. | 02:11:31 | |
Those two, well, I think it's interesting what you 2 just both said, you know you just kind of went with your gut and an 8 is a | 02:11:39 | |
gut type and a nine would be a gut. I literally did this whole thing in 20 minutes. It said a lot 40 and I just some of them it | 02:11:45 | |
was hard they were the which was the least worst answer. | 02:11:50 | |
Feelings are tough and I think depend on the. | 02:12:00 | |
The question that you. | 02:12:04 | |
Your mindset was relating it to work, or relating it to family, or relating it. Which then which person am I? | 02:12:06 | |
My answer is based on family relationships, personal relationships, business relationships. | 02:12:15 | |
And well, and then. | 02:12:21 | |
Again, tests are never with the Enneagram, the most reliable indicator of your type. It just kind of puts you in the ballpark. And | 02:12:25 | |
if you're interested, not everybody is. Some people are more comfortable. | 02:12:31 | |
With other personality style tests and things. But if you are interested and you're willing to put a little time and thought into | 02:12:38 | |
it, you probably can narrow it down to oh OK, this one really resonates with me at a deeper level and you know. | 02:12:48 | |
Close friends, partners. | 02:12:57 | |
If they're interested to talk to them about it, because sometimes other people in your life will see it even more clearly than you | 02:13:01 | |
do. People that know you well, it's like, oh, you really seem like this one. | 02:13:07 | |
You know this seems more like the you I know, especially if they're looking if it's your husband or wife or partner and you're | 02:13:14 | |
looking at it and. | 02:13:18 | |
And you're not seeing a lot of these things and they're saying, oh, I see a lot of these things. | 02:13:23 | |
That can be good or bad, but you know, that's that's an interesting thing When I work with couples that I don't know and mostly I | 02:13:30 | |
do that over zoom, but. | 02:13:35 | |
It's always so funny if they know their types before we meet. | 02:13:42 | |
I can often say, well, I bet this would probably be an issue in your relationship and I just list some things. | 02:13:48 | |
And inevitably, they're sitting there looking at each other, like, how does she know this? We've never met her and it's not. It's | 02:13:56 | |
more like, well, if A2 and A1 are married. | 02:14:01 | |
These are probably going to be issues they're going to deal with because of the way they're wired together. It's. | 02:14:07 | |
You know, it's just going to happen. | 02:14:13 | |
But then it's like it's out in the open and we can talk about it not from the perspective of you always do this, but. | 02:14:16 | |
Oh, OK. This matters to you and it doesn't to me. And this matter, you know, vice versa, So. | 02:14:24 | |
I'll give you a funny example that just occurred to me and you know, Mark, I don't want to put you on the spot, but I am. We were | 02:15:43 | |
walking out at Thomas Farm last Friday. We were walking on Thomas Farm, looking at the, looking at the trails and just and you | 02:15:49 | |
know me, I'm like, this is so amazing. It's going to be awesome. Think about how beautiful it's going to be in marks. | 02:15:54 | |
Marks like I haven't, it not wasn't the work, he said. I haven't even really been able to process this because I can't get my | 02:16:00 | |
brain wrapped around well, he said the work, but it was more like the plan, like what the plan is to get this ready. | 02:16:06 | |
Yeah, yeah, so you know, so you have, you know, you have. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, in his mind, it's like there is no plan to | 02:16:13 | |
accomplish all this stuff that you're talking about it in mind. I'm like, this is going to be so awesome. | 02:16:18 | |
And so I feel your pain reading this, you know? | 02:16:25 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 02:16:30 | |
Anyway we've got 100 acre park that we've got to bring to we're going to bring to life. We're not going to have to we're going to | 02:16:34 | |
bring to life in the next year And but you know but Sharon just said to me the other day is like staff has a lot of questions on | 02:16:38 | |
how we we're going to accomplish this and I'm like yeah we're going to have to answer a lot of questions quickly so we can get | 02:16:42 | |
moving so. | 02:16:47 | |
That's exciting. Yeah. I don't know if you feel, I mean, we get together as DDA. | 02:16:51 | |
Director and chair, because you're much more of a detail, like have a plan and I am all the possibilities and the ideas and so. | 02:16:57 | |
Thank you for your graciousness and for doing the details so that it actually. | 02:17:09 | |
I mean, if idea people didn't have detail people, it would be a really messy world. | 02:17:15 | |
Well, I think it's so interesting. | 02:17:21 | |
Two and six are my highest but umm. | 02:17:24 | |
I've also done this personality for telephone emergenetics. I don't know if you're familiar with that, but. | 02:17:27 | |
Like when Brian made a comment that I was like going to boss lady mode, I don't know if it's so much that I'm going to eat that | 02:17:32 | |
I'm super structured. And so I do like, I need a checklist. I need I love an Excel spreadsheet, like, make the list, get things | 02:17:36 | |
done. | 02:17:40 | |
But that comes out as structure. | 02:17:46 | |
In that other task, right? | 02:17:49 | |
Yeah. | 02:17:53 | |
What were your colors? Remind me? | 02:17:55 | |
Top sermon, Yeah. Yeah. I'm red and yellow. Yeah. OK, yeah. | 02:17:57 | |
Yep. | 02:18:02 | |
Well, are there any other thoughts or questions? | 02:18:06 | |
Well, maybe just a observation. | 02:18:14 | |
Because I because everybody, because I got all of them said to me, I know what everybody is. So you've got the key. I have the | 02:18:18 | |
keys. | 02:18:22 | |
It was just kind of interesting. I'm kind of curious. Well, so the mayor and council, not including Julie and Joe, there's three | 02:18:28 | |
twos and two nines and 1/7. | 02:18:32 | |
Interesting. So you've got helpers, peacemakers and enthusiasts. So I mean as and I know some of y'all were tied. | 02:18:37 | |
But I have two. Well there and there are there's a two. If you look at the top three, because that's I guess those are the top. | 02:18:46 | |
The top three that came out there are two of y'all scored threes, so it's just interesting. And then on my staff I have two | 02:18:51 | |
eights, A92 sixes, A1 and A2. | 02:18:57 | |
Which is interesting. | 02:19:04 | |
228 No, I mean, again, I'm not. I'm leaving out Joe because Joe's actually Joe's an eighth. He tends to. I mean, he works on both | 02:19:07 | |
sides, you know, he works both administrative and on the legislative side. Mark Campbell didn't take it, but I would guess he's a | 02:19:11 | |
four or five. I don't know. I was thinking. | 02:19:16 | |
Yeah, he's our city. | 02:19:25 | |
Yeah, maybe a five. I guess it'd be worth it for him to take it though too. So you got the whole thing. | 02:19:28 | |
When he gets back. | 02:19:33 | |
Yeah, I had to keep bothering people to take it about the most to say, so you've got something out of it. | 02:19:36 | |
But it yeah, it's interesting. Not really any fours or fives, really a lot and and a few threes, but you know, heavy in the twos, | 02:19:44 | |
nines, eights and sixes, I guess. | 02:19:50 | |
I don't know any insight into that. I mean is I mean again, I guess just the public service side of it maybe does it tend to those | 02:19:57 | |
hot types, obviously you need eights that can make things happen. The two sevens and nines are going to be positive outlook | 02:20:02 | |
people. | 02:20:07 | |
You know, and I would think with all you're doing, you need a positive outlook. | 02:20:14 | |
So just keep moving and getting everything done. Eights are great for giving structure and. | 02:20:20 | |
Pressing on through the hard stuff and ones you need those ones. | 02:20:27 | |
People that have the detailed vents threes can also be very detailed and organized. | 02:20:33 | |
So you know again. | 02:20:40 | |
Your top number or your second number could be your wing or could be a way you go in stress. But it didn't surprise me overall, | 02:20:43 | |
looking at all the numbers that this would be a service organization. You know that you're based on helping others and looking | 02:20:51 | |
forward and getting things done. I thought it was kind of a beautiful picture of the right people coming together to make things | 02:20:58 | |
happen, and you need a few aides that can. | 02:21:05 | |
One of their names and some of the books is the Challenger, and that's not a negative thing. But to ask good questions and to make | 02:21:14 | |
sure things are moving, that's really necessary as well. | 02:21:19 | |
I think the gap I just call out for us to remember with no fours and fives is to be let's. | 02:21:26 | |
You know, we do have a very creative. | 02:21:31 | |
Component to this community that probably is not represented. | 02:21:34 | |
On our staff or our City Council, you know, in terms of our arts community and oh calf and maybe some of the smaller entrepreneurs | 02:21:38 | |
who are doing like, you know, totally taking a gamble on what they're doing, you know, so. | 02:21:45 | |
I don't know what to do about that, but maybe just a little call out for us to remember that that it's going to be hard for us to | 02:21:53 | |
see that perspective a lot of times. | 02:21:56 | |
That those people might have and some of their passion and emotion about things, you know so. | 02:22:02 | |
Let's just keep that in mind. That's an excellent observation. I mean, it even makes me think, is there any kind of time you could | 02:22:08 | |
invite a small group of them to just come and, you know, put a question out there? What would you like to see creatively? We just | 02:22:15 | |
want to hear from you. I mean, if it's not a meeting, even to send out an e-mail to some of the people, I think that's a great | 02:22:21 | |
idea. They would probably love that and you might get ideas. | 02:22:27 | |
As you're moving forward like, oh, we could definitely incorporate that. | 02:22:35 | |
That's a great insight. Some of us may have. A spouse like my wife, for example, will be all four and five characteristics, very | 02:22:41 | |
artistic, intelligent, in touch with our motion, opposite me and every regard. | 02:22:48 | |
Seems to happen a lot. | 02:22:56 | |
I actually sent my wife. I paid the $12.00 and sent my wife to the test while we've been sitting here. | 02:22:59 | |
She is very much the the calm to my storm. | 02:23:08 | |
That's great. It is so incredibly helpful in marriage. I will just say I. | 02:23:15 | |
I am married to an 8 and if I did not understand the anagram I think I would be crying a lot more and I appreciate his his like I | 02:23:20 | |
don't. I cannot take things personally and it is hugely helpful. And then he and I both have the same amount of energy so we're | 02:23:28 | |
always moving forward with projects, which also has some. | 02:23:35 | |
So false we have to tell each other like I paid no, no more than. | 02:23:43 | |
So anyway, but it is so interesting and helpful to understand your spouse and how. | 02:23:48 | |
Well, Karen, thank you. I think this has been, this has been time well spent and really appreciate you making time for | 02:23:55 | |
Watkinsville, spending time with us this morning. My e-mail is on the front of one of those sheets I gave you. So if you have any | 02:24:00 | |
follow up questions. | 02:24:05 | |
Anything like that, just feel free to e-mail them. And can I just ask you this, just in general this is. | 02:24:11 | |
Do you do like if anybody here is more interested in like with their spouse or with a child or with a particular coworker, do you | 02:24:18 | |
do individual coaching? Like is that something that you are you have space for in your schedule? I do. I mean, I do some for the | 02:24:25 | |
organization I work with, but yes, I have I. | 02:24:32 | |
Do outside people too. So yes, feel free and I can send you information about that. I've done it with. | 02:24:40 | |
Couples with I've done it in a lot of differe. | 02:24:47 | |
Context. | 02:24:50 | |
Sometimes it's just helpful to kind of go deeper into your type. That's why I use the test, because if I have your scores, I can | 02:24:53 | |
ask better questions individually to help you get to what your actual number is. | 02:24:59 | |
It it's just kind of a starting point, but it helps me kind of to know the relationship between the types. So yes. | 02:25:08 | |
Answer. | 02:25:16 | |
All right, we will take a short break and gather back in a few minutes. | 02:25:20 | |
Well, we're going to have lunch. OK? Yeah. Why don't we take 5 minutes, people, go to the bathroom, then we'll come back and | 02:25:25 | |
remember, it'd be easier for me not to have to turn this all off. | 02:25:30 | |
Turn yours off, but it's still alive. | 02:25:39 | |
Thank you. | 02:25:46 | |
All right. So a few years ago we came up with vision, values, and and. | 02:35:07 | |
Some important statements of alignment for Council and every year I like to review these for two reasons. One, so we can all | 02:35:14 | |
remember them, but also. | 02:35:19 | |
To make sure that we all still agree that these are that these are appropriate for us, what I like to say about your vision and | 02:35:23 | |
your values are they're the ultimate filter for your decision making process. | 02:35:28 | |
And so for Watkinsville, I think our vision and our values and chair and I feel like there's a there. Is there anything more to | 02:35:35 | |
this or is it just this? Yeah, OK. I want to be sure we had the Watkinsville way up there. | 02:35:39 | |
So just I really want to take a few minutes for us to look at these together. I'll read them out loud, Sharon, if we go back one | 02:35:44 | |
more. And I just want to make sure that heads are nodding or if if there's things that you guys feel like, hey, maybe we need to. | 02:35:50 | |
You know, take one away or add something else or think differently about this. I want us to do that because I like to use these as | 02:35:56 | |
a litmus test for decision making when we have challenging decisions, You know, there's a lot of times when we're aligned and it's | 02:36:00 | |
easy. | 02:36:04 | |
And they move through it. But there's other times when we're not or there's other times we might be aligned on a challenging | 02:36:08 | |
decision. | 02:36:10 | |
But ultimately, we have code to fall back on. We have the law, but you have also have decisions where you've got to use your gut. | 02:36:13 | |
And so I think it's important that we align around these things. So the vision we agreed on a few years ago create Georgia's most | 02:36:18 | |
compelling community by honoring our history, building community and creating opportunities for citizens to engage and do business | 02:36:23 | |
with one another. | 02:36:28 | |
Every day, our values were our efficiency, transparency, inclusivity, creativity, kindness and connectivity. | 02:36:34 | |
If you want to go the next page, I'll read those and then we can talk about. | 02:36:42 | |
And in the Watkinsville way, we will be a connected community. We will seek to create connections for our citizens through | 02:36:46 | |
thoughtful design of our built environment, hosting award-winning and well attended community events, installing a modern | 02:36:50 | |
technology infrastructure. | 02:36:54 | |
And fostering connectivity between neighborhoods with non automotive infrastructure. | 02:36:59 | |
The second one, we will honor our history while welcoming innovation and accommodating change. | 02:37:04 | |
From public art to historic homes, we will honor our history and creativity while planning carefully for the future. | 02:37:09 | |
Our community is anchored on a walkable, historic downtown with an evolving mix of restaurants, retail shops and offices. | 02:37:14 | |
And 3rd, we will provide opportunities for all as a welcoming and inclusive community. We will make all ages and types of citizens | 02:37:21 | |
safe and comfortable by offering a mix of housing types, special events. | 02:37:26 | |
And businesses that support different populations. | 02:37:31 | |
And create infrastructure that allows our citizens to age in place. | 02:37:34 | |
I think that's it, right? Sharing those. | 02:37:39 | |
So anyway. | 02:37:41 | |
That time of year where things evolve, vision values ways evolve wide. Open to feedback. If this still feels like us, then this | 02:37:43 | |
feels like us. If we need to tweak it, if we need to make additions. | 02:37:49 | |
If we have other thoughts, I'm all ears, but I just really wanted to be sure we. | 02:37:55 | |
Were grounded in the. | 02:37:59 | |
Vision values and. | 02:38:01 | |
Purpose, which is ultimately what I would call this. | 02:38:03 | |
Before we jump into another year. | 02:38:07 | |
So I've. | 02:38:09 | |
Think this is incredible. I mean, I think. | 02:38:11 | |
What? What aspirational? | 02:38:15 | |
Words, and I think that we are honored. | 02:38:18 | |
I think we are on our way for doing. | 02:38:22 | |
Most, if not all of these things. There were a few things that kind of. | 02:38:26 | |
Stood out to me that we're doing super well and then a few things that's kind of stood out to me that I think. | 02:38:31 | |
We should focus a little more on that. We haven't been. So I don't know if you want to go that in the weeds or if that's for | 02:38:40 | |
coming up after lunch like that. Should I just jot down the area? Why don't we touch on them now and then we can come back to | 02:38:45 | |
them? Because if it doesn't mean if it means we're good. This is still going to be our aspirations and what we want to do. We | 02:38:50 | |
don't change anything here, but let's go ahead and call those things out so we don't forget them. | 02:38:54 | |
I think that's fine. | 02:39:00 | |
So I I feel like we're doing. | 02:39:03 | |
A really good job as we're looking at historic preservation to start focusing on that so that we can, I mean that is sprinkled | 02:39:06 | |
throughout as a core thing. So I'm glad we're really focusing on that. I think transportation wise and having a walkable | 02:39:15 | |
community, we're working super hard on that many, many aspects there. I think we really try to be welcoming and inclusive. | 02:39:23 | |
I will say. | 02:39:33 | |
Something that has come to mind as we are looking at economic development as part of DDA is. | 02:39:36 | |
How do we balance and make sure that? | 02:39:43 | |
We still can be economically. | 02:39:47 | |
Inclusive that we don't develop everything to the point that we. | 02:39:50 | |
Become a very expensive community. And so I think that's a hard balance, but I want to be mindful of that. I want to be mindful | 02:39:57 | |
that we still have a place that. | 02:40:02 | |
An entrepreneur who doesn't have a lot of capital or or a lot of resources can have a place with inexpensive rent. | 02:40:09 | |
Or and maybe we end up creating those opportunities through our DDA that we have those places with the inexpensive rent to help | 02:40:17 | |
launch people. | 02:40:22 | |
So I So that's that's a thought. And then also. | 02:40:29 | |
The modern technical technology infrastructure, I think we've had great strides in that, but I think we still have room for | 02:40:33 | |
improvement with that. I think I think maybe we have some systems that we can hone a little bit and I know we're constantly doing | 02:40:40 | |
that and I know those things all cost money, but I I feel like there's some technology things we could probably tweak. | 02:40:47 | |
To be more. | 02:40:54 | |
As a community. | 02:40:57 | |
Great. | 02:41:00 | |
Any other feedback on all this? | 02:41:05 | |
So at night I I too think these resonates still very well it's you know having an all inclusive environment and city is very | 02:41:09 | |
important and and I I do appreciate the words Christine said. You know continuing to work towards this this community being a live | 02:41:16 | |
work and play not just a a work and play but you know the people that. | 02:41:23 | |
Work here need to be able to live here as well, so that's that's very difficult to do in. | 02:41:31 | |
You know the ages of Holmes causing $1,000,000 and that. | 02:41:36 | |
So figured out how we how this is a community. | 02:41:42 | |
For everybody. | 02:41:46 | |
I'm glad you called that out. I mean that has since this has been written. I was looking at some numbers the other day. I think | 02:41:52 | |
home prices have gone up. | 02:41:55 | |
Anywhere from 45 to 65%, you know, just in the past three years in our community. So it's it's. | 02:41:59 | |
It's definitely a challenge. But yeah, I do think, you know, when we wrote this, there was no Miracle League playground. There was | 02:42:04 | |
no, you know, I don't know, the Harden Hill sidewalk I don't think was underway. I mean, there's been a lot of things that we've | 02:42:09 | |
done, you know? | 02:42:13 | |
Inclusion, but you're right, the one that's so market driven tends to be the real estate piece and I think we will have to be | 02:42:18 | |
really thoughtful and creative in the next couple years as we tackle that. | 02:42:22 | |
Well, and I think, you know, don't forget you do have a low income housing tax credit group that's coming in that's going to offer | 02:42:27 | |
some. | 02:42:30 | |