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All right. Welcome everybody to the February. | 00:00:16 | |
Council meeting. | 00:00:20 | |
3. | 00:00:29 | |
And. | 00:00:37 | |
In the United States of America. | 00:00:48 | |
And to the Republic for which it stands. | 00:00:52 | |
One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. | 00:00:55 | |
Here with us tonight, but nobody is a. | 00:01:05 | |
Help us on our hair. | 00:01:10 | |
Of the development. | 00:01:15 | |
Ancestry, Mobility, Walkability in Washingtonville, Hunger Island. | 00:01:20 | |
For copies of Thursday, he's working. | 00:01:26 | |
Said Wyoming is more a little more casual than what a lot of people. | 00:01:35 | |
We all broadcast in final 70. | 00:01:39 | |
Woman that can also see our agenda on Mater. | 00:01:45 | |
Going around, we have adopted a new symptoms for the second month. | 00:01:49 | |
Global product, so this one does not allow public comment. | 00:02:01 | |
People. | 00:02:05 | |
For. | 00:02:09 | |
For you. | 00:02:10 | |
On. | 00:02:12 | |
But Japan blocked and. | 00:02:13 | |
But that is how the new system works. | 00:02:17 | |
Tonight. | 00:02:45 | |
On the. | 00:02:46 | |
That's that we'll jump into. | 00:02:48 | |
So in fact. | 00:03:00 | |
Eating. | 00:03:10 | |
Give me. | 00:03:21 | |
Aye, all in favor, aye. | 00:03:27 | |
Councilwoman and mayor. | 00:03:33 | |
All right on the agenda. | 00:03:44 | |
Have a home department? What do you want to approve? That agenda I will need to make? | 00:03:47 | |
We have an appointment for the 7th County Board of Health. | 00:03:52 | |
And then? | 00:03:56 | |
And. | 00:03:58 | |
On the qualifications necessary for that, Kansas, the left candidate is going to be. | 00:04:03 | |
For a little while, I think. I probably hate to have nominated. | 00:04:10 | |
Keep that candidate. | 00:04:17 | |
From that. | 00:04:21 | |
Process performing. | 00:04:24 | |
On. | 00:04:26 | |
What? | 00:04:29 | |
Thank. | 00:04:35 | |
6. | 00:04:48 | |
We move on to administration of how to discuss our public. | 00:04:58 | |
#2 This is an important month for Washington. | 00:05:04 | |
14 years. | 00:05:10 | |
1515. | 00:05:13 | |
Reservations. | 00:05:20 | |
Planting. | 00:05:24 | |
One of the things. | 00:05:29 | |
And it is. | 00:05:33 | |
And Watsonville. | 00:05:35 | |
Whereas in 1872, Nebraska Board of Agriculture established a Central Day to 75 on the final three, whereas this holiday called | 00:05:41 | |
Harbor Day was supposed to go with the. | 00:05:45 | |
All the days now. | 00:05:53 | |
Cooling costs moderating the temperature in the air, which then provided that for wildlife and whereas traditional removal will be | 00:06:02 | |
a safer load for the woods. | 00:06:08 | |
My city is increased property value enhanced the economic. | 00:06:16 | |
PewDiePie community and whereas trees wherever they're pointing to their. | 00:06:20 | |
Add Brian Rogers for planning February 18th this. | 00:06:26 | |
All the days. | 00:06:33 | |
Further, I heard also the country is wagging the heart and promotional wealth. | 00:06:37 | |
1. | 00:06:42 | |
A lot of food planted. I'm glad you're here. A lot of you have done nothing to use Boston. So this is the proclamation of the day | 00:06:43 | |
Friday. Promise. I know you were going to report. | 00:06:49 | |
Absolutely. So thank you very much. So if again. | 00:07:02 | |
Arbor Day of 2020 racially donated some trees. This year they will be here at Cindy Hall on Friday. They will get their precharge | 00:07:07 | |
or do something. | 00:07:12 | |
They're being there all day. You're ready. | 00:07:19 | |
Additionally. | 00:07:23 | |
Out on Pike Mill Rd. | 00:07:26 | |
Giving away 3/5 and seven. | 00:07:28 | |
Freeze this week. | 00:07:30 | |
You're interested in any of those? | 00:07:34 | |
More information. | 00:07:38 | |
And. | 00:07:42 | |
Lisa Douglas, who drinks. | 00:07:52 | |
5 gallons, 50 gallon water. | 00:07:57 | |
We were playing people like. | 00:08:00 | |
That you may remember about 300th birthday in Washington. | 00:08:05 | |
Like. | 00:08:11 | |
Five months on. | 00:08:14 | |
All right, that's. | 00:08:20 | |
I'm going to move along with you. | 00:08:23 | |
OK, long time ago. | 00:08:26 | |
Thank you, Mayor. So you should have your general fund balance sheet. The expenses and revenues are right around 5860%. Again, you | 00:08:30 | |
know that some expenses come early, some revenues come in earlier, come in late, but that's about where we need to be seven months | 00:08:37 | |
in splashed one report. You may recall Splash One is all that money right now is dedicated towards the sewer line, construction | 00:08:44 | |
sewer line a through the industrial park along with about $904,000 out of Sloss 2. | 00:08:52 | |
Those are combined together for that project and then 465, sorry, 456,000 to set aside for the improvements that you see going on | 00:08:59 | |
next door at with the playground. | 00:09:05 | |
There are some additional revenues above that, about 41,000, but that money may be needed for any overages with sewer line at this | 00:09:10 | |
point so. | 00:09:15 | |
Sloss 3, yes, sorry. | 00:09:20 | |
That's the remaining fund. | 00:09:31 | |
Yeah. | 00:09:44 | |
Umm Sloss 3 is is the special purpose local option sales tax that we're currently receiving revenues in on. We budgeted over 7, | 00:09:46 | |
this is a 72. | 00:09:51 | |
Project or six year project? | 00:09:57 | |
Collection, we estimated we would be getting somewhere around 61,000, let's say 62,000 a month. As you can see, we're getting more | 00:10:00 | |
than that each month. Right now we're about 40, about $42,000 over our, you know what we budgeted council budgets at the lower | 00:10:07 | |
amount so that if there is a low month or there is a project that goes over that, there would be additional funds for that. So | 00:10:13 | |
right now we have an average of about 75,000. | 00:10:20 | |
Coming. | 00:10:26 | |
These are terribly small for everybody looking at them, but the council has a bigger picture and and if you're online you can see | 00:10:28 | |
that as well. These are just, I've mentioned before these the blue rose are the monies have been set aside in SPOS 3 for specific | 00:10:34 | |
projects or we, we like to call them buckets of money, public safety, recreation, roads and streets and then government facilities | 00:10:40 | |
and signage. | 00:10:46 | |
That the items underneath, unless they're red, are just sort of place placeholders for projects council believes they'd like to | 00:10:53 | |
spend that money on. The ones in red have already been designated. | 00:10:58 | |
And so this is just sort of a planning document that we use to help God Council with their with their designations and their | 00:11:04 | |
appropriations of money. | 00:11:09 | |
On American Rescue Plan, a couple things to note. Right now our balance sheet shows a little bit more than 430,000 in that | 00:11:14 | |
account. There are some outstanding about $96,000. There's a check out standing for CW Matthews for the Harden Hill Rd. Project. | 00:11:22 | |
And this is so. So what you'll see is our balance in the bank is actually higher because they haven't cashed that check yet. And | 00:11:32 | |
then a project came in about $35,000 under budget, which we're really excited about, but. | 00:11:38 | |
This is just again, this is a planning document. We keep track of interest that comes in on that money. The first allotment the | 00:11:44 | |
city got was 548,204 Fifty. | 00:11:48 | |
There are some additional funds You'll see at the top. On the 3rd row from the top, the state gave us some money for first | 00:11:53 | |
responders. There was a supplement to all of our police officers. | 00:11:57 | |
And so that money passed through this, but that's not part of the the Grant for American Rescue plan. | 00:12:02 | |
We will see another 548,200 and 450 July sometime after the 1st of July and council will be making decisions about how to spend | 00:12:08 | |
that money. Are there any questions? | 00:12:13 | |
All right, try to freeze through it. | 00:12:20 | |
Not. | 00:12:27 | |
On the economic reports, business licenses are coming in. Their due date is May 15th, so we're starting to get a lot in. We've | 00:12:35 | |
already had quite a few come in. For the month of January, we had 3030 business licenses to alcohol licenses. | 00:12:41 | |
On the plain permit side, most all of these projects are maintenance projects. We did have quite a few last month for Wire Park. | 00:12:48 | |
We expect more this month. In fact, there probably are already some that have come in for Wire Park and some other projects, but | 00:12:53 | |
these are all mostly residential maintenance ones. | 00:12:59 | |
Any. | 00:13:05 | |
I've been in my report for the month of February. | 00:13:35 | |
It's. | 00:13:41 | |
500 down until pretty much if you out there. | 00:13:51 | |
Proper. | 00:13:59 | |
Oper. | 00:14:04 | |
There are no questions on the report. | 00:14:17 | |
We have in. | 00:14:21 | |
You. | 00:14:28 | |
Hopefully there's a great event. | 00:15:24 | |
Unfortunately 101. | 00:15:35 | |
Next up. | 00:15:41 | |
Is our fiscal budget amendment. | 00:15:48 | |
Questions about that otherwise well. | 00:15:52 | |
I'll make a motion that. | 00:16:03 | |
Package. | 00:16:18 | |
Now we are here for and so. | 00:16:22 | |
What I will say is we have several items tonight. | 00:16:29 | |
Y'all. | 00:16:55 | |
1. | 00:16:56 | |
Walk through that. | 00:17:01 | |
But we have three key items on. | 00:17:07 | |
First one to thank the Bre. | 00:17:11 | |
Allow them as a traditionally and consider an application under that brand new. | 00:17:13 | |
10. | 00:17:19 | |
Similar to the next one that we have pertained to special events facilities. | 00:17:21 | |
Again, like breweries that are not currently permitted to be permitted as additional. | 00:17:26 | |
Is also an application. | 00:17:33 | |
Still did well and then finally thirdly. | 00:17:37 | |
There is a request for. | 00:17:42 | |
Artist. | 00:17:47 | |
Underst. | 00:17:51 | |
A request. | 00:17:56 | |
So each of these is in essence 18. | 00:17:59 | |
Second step is dependent on. | 00:18:02 | |
The Council actually approving the tax amendment allowing issues come in as it. | 00:18:04 | |
Additional use stand in the role of apply on the city code comments are to be related to agenda items 4 minutes per person. | 00:18:10 | |
Obviously we do not allow debate, argument, personal marriage. All remarks are we made directly into 10 council because there are | 00:18:17 | |
decision. | 00:18:24 | |
The way it will work. | 00:18:34 | |
First, there will be a staff report on. | 00:18:35 | |
And then the applicant or whoever is carrying forward the request. | 00:18:38 | |
Opportunities. | 00:18:42 | |
And any supporters? | 00:18:44 | |
And then if there are any opposed, they will also have an opportunity. | 00:18:46 | |
OK. | 00:19:03 | |
By right, for example, in a historic South main a residential use is always allowed. | 00:19:04 | |
If this is approved as a conditional use, should there be a subsequent request? | 00:19:12 | |
A special event facility in that district. It would always have to come back before council and meet that high bar. | 00:19:17 | |
Thank you. OK. | 00:20:11 | |
Go ahead, key podium, please. Yeah, that way Miss Julie can record comments. Thank you. And if you go ahead and state, I fail to | 00:20:15 | |
mention when you come to the podium, if you'll state your name and address, I appreciate it. | 00:20:20 | |
Use permit. Is that going to be if it's passed or not passed? Is it pertaining to just this one specific applicant? | 00:20:33 | |
Is there a? | 00:20:41 | |
If it's if it's passed, is it good forever? Is it for so many years? That's a good question. Here's the way it works #1. Council | 00:20:43 | |
has decide. | 00:20:47 | |
Number Are they going to allow breweries as special? | 00:20:52 | |
If they allow such a special uses, then the applicant can come forward that application. That applicant is seeking a special use | 00:20:55 | |
permit, also known as a conditional use permit. Once they obtain that permit, it is good for the life of the property or if a | 00:21:04 | |
restriction is imposed that is tied simply to the current owner. Slash operator, that is possible. So either it can be in | 00:21:12 | |
perpetuity tied to the land and can continue to be used, or if the council decides to impose a restriction, that it is. | 00:21:21 | |
Just tied to this particular operator, that is an option for this Council to consider in each instance. | 00:21:29 | |
But the text amendment does. | 00:21:35 | |
Continue regardless, correct. It's where once that text amendment, once that door is open, that. | 00:21:37 | |
The city will allow breweries as a conditional use that options will be in place unless and until at a future council meeting they | 00:21:44 | |
ever decide to reverse that, which is not particularly likely but theoretically possible. Similarly, special event facility, if | 00:21:51 | |
that is authorized as a potential conditional use, that will stay on the books under the zoning ordinance unless and until in a | 00:21:59 | |
similar process, which you'll see tonight, that may be reversed. Again, unlikely once. | 00:22:07 | |
The door is open once the use is allowed as a conditional use will then open the door for others to come in and request a similar | 00:22:15 | |
use. Does that answer the question? | 00:22:19 | |
That does, but again because it's a conditional use that has a high bar. | 00:22:24 | |
For that specific, whatever that future request might be when it comes back before us. Otherwise exactly it is case by case and | 00:22:28 | |
there is a long list of criterion. | 00:22:32 | |
Associated with any conditional use. It's not an automatic Gimme, so to speak, which is distinguishable from a standard permitted | 00:22:37 | |
use. It means that if somebody wants a conditional use of a special events facility or upscale tattoo parlor or. | 00:22:46 | |
A. The other one was a brewery. In any instance, those would have to be advertised in the legal organ. | 00:22:56 | |
A sign placed on the property and a hearing before this body potentially conditions imposed and on then and only then would the | 00:23:03 | |
use be authorized. So it is a multi step process and that's for transparency, due process and state law compliance. | 00:23:11 | |
With that background, we will get going. Our first one is going to be a public hearing. | 00:23:23 | |
Related to breweries as a conditional use in downtown attorney Reitman, if you would kick us off by proposing the amendment. | 00:23:28 | |
If there's any reports that need to be made and then open up the public hearing, please certainly. This is item number 8 on the | 00:23:35 | |
agenda. It is proposed to allow breweries only in three zoning districts. | 00:23:41 | |
As conditional uses, as stated, downtown mixed-use. | 00:23:47 | |
And historic Main Zoning District? Add one in the newspaper appearing very much like this at least 15 days in advance, specifying | 00:23:52 | |
those 3 zoning ordinances and referencing definitions of breweries and allowing breweries as conditional uses. Associated with | 00:23:59 | |
that is a proposed amendment to the zoning ordinance a brewery would be limited to. | 00:24:07 | |
The manufacturer of malt beverages on. | 00:24:16 | |
Contiguous to or within 100 feet of an eating establishment, meaning a defined restaurant, not separated from the restaurant by a | 00:24:19 | |
street or Rd. for safety reasons. Those are the key aspects of it, and at this time I don't know whether we have any additional | 00:24:27 | |
report either from staff or Mark. Is there anything additional you wish for me to mention or you would like to mention? | 00:24:34 | |
All right. At this point, I think it would be appropriate for the applicant to come forward not on your particular application, | 00:24:43 | |
but simply in support of this concept of adding breweries as a conditional use. Does the applicant in the next agenda item wish to | 00:24:49 | |
be heard on this initial aspect? Attorney Reitman, did we have to close public hearing or is this actually now going into the | 00:24:55 | |
public hearing? Yes. Thank you. | 00:25:01 | |
Good evening. My name is Stanton Porter. My address is 2925 Fern Hill Rd. In Bogart. | 00:25:11 | |
I'm here on behalf of the applicant. | 00:25:19 | |
4 breweries. | 00:25:21 | |
Assuming that this text amendment is passed, I will expand more on our particular application during that time. | 00:25:23 | |
As far as the text amendment that's in front of you now, I believe that the city's done an excellent job in crafting that to try | 00:25:30 | |
to, sort of. | 00:25:34 | |
Some protections that you like in place for having an establishment that's going to be a brewery and serve alcohol, think that the | 00:25:39 | |
end result is going to be something that you don't see is a whole lot different than restaurants that are here in town. | 00:25:45 | |
You're not going to have the feel of it being like a bar and that was sort of what was, I think that the intent was going was. | 00:25:52 | |
Um. | 00:26:00 | |
In drafting it this way with having it essentially contiguous to a restaurant itself. | 00:26:00 | |
And I'll get more into detail about the particular. | 00:26:06 | |
Application that we have that we intend to place at Wire Park but would ask that tonight. | 00:26:10 | |
That the City Council approved this text amendment and then here our application for the conditional use of our particular brewery | 00:26:15 | |
at Wire Park. I'm happy to answer any questions that you may have about the amendment itself and like I said about the particular | 00:26:21 | |
application, I'll I'll reserve my comments for that until the next agenda item. | 00:26:27 | |
Are there any comments from mayor and council? | 00:26:34 | |
Any comments? Questions from staff? | 00:26:38 | |
At this point, we'll turn it over to the public. Anybody wish to speak in favor of the request for a text amendment to allow a | 00:26:41 | |
brewery with the stated conditions as a conditional use in Watkinsville? | 00:26:47 | |
Hearing and seeing no comments. Anybody who wishes to speak opposed to the idea of a brewery is a conditional use in Watkinsville | 00:26:55 | |
with the stated conditions. | 00:26:59 | |
Hearing and seeing None the public hearing is closed is back. Beyond the dice to you, Mayor and Council, as to whether you wish to | 00:27:05 | |
consider this text amendment. | 00:27:09 | |
All right. We've talked about this for a few months. The amendment has been in front of you guys. I think we've all made our | 00:27:14 | |
feelings about the breweries clear and past meetings, but I'm open. | 00:27:18 | |
Any comments or motion at this point? | 00:27:23 | |
I'll make a motion to pass the. | 00:27:29 | |
Amendment to the brewery ordinance? Is that the? | 00:27:33 | |
To pass the amendment to zoning allowing breweries as a conditional use. | 00:27:37 | |
So moved. | 00:27:43 | |
All right, we have a motion. Do we have a second? | 00:27:46 | |
I'll happily second. All right. We have a motion. We have a second. Any further comment? | 00:27:49 | |
Hearing none. | 00:27:57 | |
Let's vote all in favor. Say aye. | 00:27:59 | |
Aye opposed. | 00:28:01 | |
Vote carries 3. | 00:28:03 | |
From council after the meeting, if you will sign this document, I think Sharon, Julie will have a copy that looks just like this | 00:28:05 | |
amendments to zoning, ordinance, etcetera, signature spaces on the back. Thank you. | 00:28:11 | |
OK. That then moves us on to the public hearing. | 00:28:17 | |
The applicant, which is South Main Brewing LLC at 111 S Barnett Shoals Rd. | 00:28:21 | |
Attorney Reitman, I'm going to turn it back over to you to make sure we do this the right way. Yes Sir. And just briefly, I have | 00:28:29 | |
reviewed the application for conditional use or variance. It references a location of Wire Park LL. | 00:28:35 | |
With the name of South Main Brewing, my recollection is this was duly advertised as being two suites within Wire Park at 1725 | 00:28:43 | |
Electric Ave. The suites 414 and 415 J that are inside the food court. The food court being 1.35 acres and this just being too | 00:28:54 | |
small, sweet aspects thereof. And they do seek approval under the same conditions stated as the text amendment just passed. | 00:29:04 | |
Are there any comments from Staff Engineer on? | 00:29:15 | |
Hearing none will then turn it over to Mr. Porter, on behalf of his client, to talk about this specific application. | 00:29:19 | |
And this is now a public hearing. | 00:29:27 | |
Good evening again. My name is Stanton Porter. My address is 2925 Fern Hill Rd. That's why I'm here. Very excited to talk about | 00:29:31 | |
IS. | 00:29:35 | |
The addition of a brewery to city of Watkinsville. As just mentioned, the name of the brewery is South Main Brewing. | 00:29:40 | |
And the intent to have this brewery go into the Wire Park area? | 00:29:47 | |
South Main Brewing is founded by locals. | 00:29:53 | |
I'm here. | 00:29:56 | |
Uh. | 00:29:58 | |
All the guys that are part of this brewery, including our, our head Brewer and these are guys that live here locally. This is not | 00:29:59 | |
some Atlanta brewery or Atlanta company that's coming in. These are our local guys that are invested in the county here. They're | 00:30:04 | |
invested in the city. | 00:30:09 | |
And care about what's going on in this community. | 00:30:14 | |
South Main Brewing It places an. | 00:30:18 | |
On Community First brewing. And so the real intent is to involve the communities to create a space at Wire Park that's going to be | 00:30:20 | |
inviting for people to come to, to spend time with your friends and your family, and to just have this great inviting environment. | 00:30:28 | |
From its roots of home brewing right here in Watkinsville to the planned opening and historic Wire Park this is going to. | 00:30:36 | |
A great addition to Watkins. | 00:30:43 | |
There's a slide up in front of you that has just a little bit of the information and I want to touch quickly on that. I know that | 00:30:45 | |
it's a busy agenda tonight. | 00:30:49 | |
The ordinance itself for breweries is very detailed and as I mentioned in the text amendment, I think there's a lot of protections | 00:30:53 | |
that are in place in there. We're not asking for any variances from that. We intend to follow all those protections very strictly. | 00:30:58 | |
The the, the intent I believe behind those is very good. | 00:31:04 | |
The brewery itself is 2 sweets that are part of Wire Park. | 00:31:10 | |
I know many of you are familiar with. | 00:31:15 | |
It's taken up about a 3800 square foot unit itself. It's on the sort of next to the food court. | 00:31:17 | |
And. | 00:31:52 | |
Patrons that are in the food court itself could walk up to this area. They could order a beverage from the brewery without coming | 00:31:53 | |
into the brewery and enjoy that with their food and their family from the number of different restaurants that are going to be | 00:31:57 | |
there. | 00:32:01 | |
Umm. | 00:32:06 | |
I think that you know, just again I want to emphasize that the brewery itself is placing a high importance on community that the | 00:32:08 | |
the company itself is made-up from people from this community. | 00:32:13 | |
They've been very intentional about everyone that's involved, even in selecting me to represent itself. I grew up here in | 00:32:19 | |
Watkinsville and I practice over in Winder now, but that they wanted this to be. | 00:32:24 | |
You know something that Watkinsville could be proud of and that Oconee County could be proud of? | 00:32:30 | |
I ask that you approve our conditional use for South Main Brewing to to open and wire park and I'm certainly happy to answer any | 00:32:36 | |
questions that any of you may have about the brewery or or what it looks like going forward. | 00:32:42 | |
Mayor and Council, Any questions? | 00:32:51 | |
All right. At this time, I'll turn over to the public to be heard. In this public hearing, is there any member of the public who | 00:32:57 | |
wishes to be heard in favor? | 00:33:01 | |
Is there anyone in the public wishes to speak opposed? | 00:33:07 | |
Yes. | 00:33:13 | |
I was trying to understand how this is My name is Lawrence Stu. Can I live about 13 Barnett Shoals? | 00:33:17 | |
A minute ago I heard you say this really wasn't moving into having. | 00:33:24 | |
And does this have like a kitchen and tables and food? | 00:33:28 | |
I think it's a question for the applicant to answer. | 00:33:32 | |
Well, I think we can also address that the way that there's a brew pub separate ordinance from this if someone wanted to do a brew | 00:33:35 | |
pub. But the reason that we had to pass a brewery's ordinance is because they don't plan to have a kitchen. | 00:33:41 | |
The reason we constructed the ordinance this way, where they have to be within 100 feet of establishment that does serve food, is | 00:33:47 | |
to allow. | 00:33:50 | |
A brewery. Because a lot of, as I learned as I research this and we've researched this, a lot of breweries, they don't want to be | 00:33:54 | |
in the food business, right? | 00:33:58 | |
But from a health standpoint, from a safety standpoint, we felt like they needed to be in a place where their guests could have | 00:34:01 | |
access to food. | 00:34:05 | |
So this is narrowly constructed in such a way that if you have a brewery in Watkinsville, you have to operate within 100 feet of a | 00:34:10 | |
restaurant. | 00:34:13 | |
And you have to, and you cannot be across the road, so there's not a ton of places where you could establish a brewery in | 00:34:17 | |
Watkinsville is currently constructed. | 00:34:21 | |
So yes, it is a standalone brewery, but the way that the ordinance is written, any brewery would have to be within 100 feet of a | 00:34:25 | |
restaurant as defined by our ordinances. | 00:34:30 | |
So no, they will not have to have a kitchen and be an operating restaurant. That would be a brew. | 00:34:36 | |
OK. Could you do one with Whis? | 00:34:45 | |
No, we've not, we've not allowed a distilled spirits sort of distillery by this code, correct? | 00:34:48 | |
No, correct. This one is limited to. Let's go to our definition. | 00:34:55 | |
Malt beverages are manufactured. Malt beverages are manufactured, including for consumption on premises. Continues to within 100 | 00:35:00 | |
feet of an eating establishment, not separated there from from street or Rd. for safety reasons. So again, strictly limited malt | 00:35:05 | |
beverages, Yes Sir. | 00:35:11 | |
So I wanted to make a whiskey bar. I just have to put it next to a restaurant and get a new. | 00:35:17 | |
You'd have to go through this entire process. We'd have to approve a distillery. We'd have to create does that. | 00:35:22 | |
I mean, that's a totally different. So something totally different. So I'm not thinking about a whiskey BBQ. I mean, we've had | 00:35:27 | |
people propose moonshine too, so you're not too far out there, so. | 00:35:32 | |
It's The Night is young. | 00:35:40 | |
Any other questions from the? | 00:35:43 | |
Yes, ma'am. Come on forward again, please. | 00:35:46 | |
40 Twin Oaks Trail. So is is the approval of this brewery contingent on restaurants already being approved in this space? | 00:35:50 | |
There's no restaurants that have been approved to date, but we do anticipate several restaurants, so the restaurants would have to | 00:35:59 | |
be in operation for the brewery, for the brewery. | 00:36:03 | |
There aren't any restaurants that move in. That would be OK, yeah. Then that that would not. It would not meet the letter of the | 00:36:08 | |
law, no. | 00:36:11 | |
So y'all better tell Mister Gibbs to make sure he's got some restaurants lined up. So Yep, Yep. I don't think he's, I think he's | 00:36:17 | |
got, I think he's got several on the way, so. | 00:36:22 | |
Good questions though, everybody. Any others? And do we have any comments that were submitted in advance in writing? | 00:36:29 | |
OK, very good. Well then we close the public hearing. It's before the Mayor and council. I'll direct your attention to the | 00:36:37 | |
applicants application that includes the standards and I'm going to hit the highlights of those. | 00:36:43 | |
At approximately page five of the. | 00:36:50 | |
Are several enumerated paragraphs and subparagraphs. Item 2 Conditional use not contrary to public interest. | 00:36:54 | |
Determine the conditional use will not be injurious to environment or other property in the vicinity. Will not impede normal and | 00:37:02 | |
orderly development of surrounding property for uses predominant in the area, location and character consistent with a desirable | 00:37:10 | |
pattern of development. And then in a related vein, item 4, Compatibility with adjacent properties and other properties in the | 00:37:18 | |
same zoning district whether the proposed use will create unreasonable adverse impacts upon adjoining land use. | 00:37:26 | |
And whether the length of time for which the permit is granted shall be limited in duration. Those are several of your key | 00:37:34 | |
criterion. | 00:37:38 | |
All right. Thank you, Joe. And it's the questions now back before the council. | 00:37:44 | |
Open to any discussion or motion. | 00:37:48 | |
I make a motion to approve the. | 00:38:00 | |
South Main Brewing application. | 00:38:04 | |
All right, we have a motion to approve. Do we have a second? | 00:38:07 | |
I will second. We have a motion in a second. Any further discussion? | 00:38:13 | |
If not all in favor, say. | 00:38:18 | |
Any opposed? | 00:38:20 | |
Motion carries 3/1. | 00:38:22 | |
All right. So you all now have a feel for the process we're going to go through on the next two, maybe a little slower, maybe a | 00:38:27 | |
little faster, but that's that's the process that we have to go through legally. | 00:38:31 | |
South Main Brewing, Welcome to. | 00:38:36 | |
Good luck with your operation and excited to see what you guys excited to see what you guys can do in the future. | 00:38:39 | |
You're welcome to. | 00:38:45 | |
I know, Mr. Porter, I think needs to stay. Maybe a few others. You're also welcome to go after your matters been decided. It's up | 00:38:47 | |
to y'all. All right, we're going to move along to our next public hearing. This is a zoning text amendment allowing for a special | 00:38:51 | |
events facility as a conditional use. | 00:38:56 | |
In the South Main Street Scenic. | 00:39:00 | |
Attorney Reitman, let's move through that again, please. | 00:39:03 | |
Yes Sir. Mr. Mayor, this again is only to be in the South main zoning district duly advertised pursuant to law. This one has a few | 00:39:07 | |
more moving parts because it has a more detailed ordinance associated there with a direct Mayor and council to the proposed | 00:39:14 | |
amendments. It's about a 5 pager part of your packet. It includes various and sundry requirements to essentially protect the | 00:39:22 | |
integrity of nearby neighborhoods that if the owner operated. | 00:39:30 | |
With an owner of 50% or larger interest, it'd be in a historic residence on a primary thoroughfare at an existing intersection. | 00:39:38 | |
And contiguous 2 are within 100 feet of a current commercial use and the residents being over 3000 square feet and on a parcel or | 00:39:47 | |
parcels over 2.75 acres. Those are very specifically stated requirements in the interest of protecting the integrity of existing | 00:39:54 | |
residential neighborhoods. Reference made to a floor plan having to be submitted no more than three special event facility | 00:40:02 | |
operator licenses in the city per year. | 00:40:09 | |
Inspections by the appropriate health officials considerations of impact on the neighborhood. | 00:40:17 | |
And a million. | 00:40:24 | |
Liability insurance 2. | 00:40:26 | |
Per occurrence also a limit to one weekend special event per week in one weekday special event per week and the operator must be | 00:40:29 | |
present on premises for all events and maintain a guest log. | 00:40:36 | |
Operation of course, has to be respectful of neighboring residences. Must conclude by 11:00 PM. Very limited signage, no formal on | 00:40:43 | |
site sit down restaurant meals, very limited meal prep such as smoking, BBQ, grilling, hamburgers, fish fries, etcetera. | 00:40:53 | |
Any malt beverages and wine we shall only be served by a licensed alcohol caterer and limits on a number of persons per thousand | 00:41:04 | |
square feet of heated residential space and limits to total number of persons per acre in outdoor yard and garden scenarios. So | 00:41:11 | |
those are the key components of a fairly detailed ordinance, again designed to maintain the integrity of nearby residential areas. | 00:41:18 | |
Are there any questions from Mayor and Council in regard to that? | 00:41:25 | |
All right, staff, any comments from you? All right. At this time, we're going to open the public hearing. Mr. Porter, I understand | 00:41:34 | |
that you're representing a client who's interested in this concept in Watkinsville. Do you have comments on this? | 00:41:40 | |
Thank you again. My name is Stanton Porter. My address is 2925 Fern Hill Rd. | 00:41:51 | |
I think Mr. Reitman did a good job of sort of hitting the these very specific requirements that are part of the text amendment. | 00:41:57 | |
That's in front of you tonight. | 00:42:05 | |
I want to just highlight in general with that specificity you talk a little bit about. | 00:42:07 | |
The South Main Street scenic corridor, we're talking about this area right along South Main Street. I'm going to talk about the | 00:42:13 | |
particular property that we've we're going to ask for in the next time. But we're not trying to or or that this amendment's not | 00:42:20 | |
trying to put a special event facility, you know, in a very densely residential area. And there's already in the code itself now | 00:42:26 | |
certain things that are allowed in this South Main corridor that aren't too far different or some people may even find more | 00:42:33 | |
obtrusive or. | 00:42:39 | |
Would create. | 00:42:46 | |
You know, could be more obtrusive to people in the area, so things like a bed and breakfast, a cafe, restaurant. | 00:42:48 | |
Outdoor dining area and a small scale restaurant are already allowed. | 00:42:54 | |
In this South main corridor. | 00:42:59 | |
And so, you know, really what my client was seeking and coming before the City Council was let's don't try to to force what we | 00:43:01 | |
want to do or what he wants to do into, you know, let's just call it a cafe restaurant, but it's only open one or two days a week | 00:43:08 | |
when they're going to have an event. | 00:43:14 | |
Instead, let's do it the right way. Let's do this text amendment. | 00:43:20 | |
But to try to pres. | 00:43:24 | |
The the fact that there is there are residences in the area, let's create one that has very strict limits on. | 00:43:26 | |
When people can be there? How many people can be there? The number of events? | 00:43:34 | |
And So what you what you've got is a real balance between protecting that area, the people that do live there, but at the same | 00:43:39 | |
time. | 00:43:43 | |
Doing something that's good for Watkins, Ville, that's going to be a benefit for the area. | 00:43:48 | |
Like I. | 00:43:52 | |
In the next Pope portion, I'll talk specifically why this particular application should be granted. But I do think that this | 00:43:54 | |
Watkinsville did did not have or does not have you know a definition for prior to this what a special event facility or what | 00:43:59 | |
special events would be. And so you know in the code itself and so that's what we've attempted to to work with the city on | 00:44:05 | |
creating and create one this very narrowly defined and and it's going to have those protections that I think everybody in the area | 00:44:11 | |
would want. | 00:44:17 | |
Certainly happy to answer any questions that anyone has. | 00:44:24 | |
Mayor, Council, Any questions for Mr. Porter? | 00:44:27 | |
Thank. | 00:44:31 | |
Yeah, I do have a couple questions. The. | 00:44:33 | |
Well, maybe We'll wait until we see if this, see if this passes. | 00:44:37 | |
The once per weekend, once per week construct. That's two events potentially per week. | 00:44:42 | |
The 11:00 timing. | 00:44:48 | |
A weeknight seems a little bit late to me. I mean, you and your partners and we can talk. We could probably. | 00:44:51 | |
I guess I just wonder if on a weeknight it seems to me that the noise should be gone a little sooner than 11:00, there wouldn't be | 00:44:57 | |
any objection. | 00:45:01 | |
I mean particularly I think if you were talking on. | 00:45:05 | |
You know. | 00:45:09 | |
If we say weeknight, maybe you'd say even Sunday through Thursday, right? | 00:45:09 | |
You think Friday is technically a weekday, but right? And even if if we are sort of jumping to this particular facility, the. | 00:45:14 | |
I think 2 a week is. | 00:45:23 | |
Very rarely, if ever even seen. You know, it's more like. | 00:45:26 | |
You know, one every couple weeks, but the idea is that you know there would be. | 00:45:30 | |
A lot of places that have things have every week. | 00:45:36 | |
Or certainly some places have stuff multiple times a weekend and so I think that was suggested and I think this. Actually I didn't | 00:45:39 | |
mention this, but I think this. | 00:45:43 | |
Text amendment is modeled similarly after maybe the city of Madison's. And so you know, I think that Madison's done a great job in | 00:45:47 | |
sort of balancing like this residential area in their downtown port or that Main Street areas got all these beautiful houses. But | 00:45:53 | |
at the same time, a lot of reasons why why we know that is because some of us have been to an event. | 00:45:59 | |
Whether it be some kind of little party or a shower or get together at one of the facilities there that do host some events. And | 00:46:06 | |
so you know that was the model for this, what you have. And then it's been tailored a little bit more even to what Watkinsville | 00:46:11 | |
needs are. | 00:46:15 | |
Thank you. | 00:46:21 | |
If there no further questions for Mr. Porter, has anybody in the public who wishes to speak in favor? | 00:46:25 | |
So anyone who wishes to speak opposed. | 00:46:31 | |
Yes. | 00:46:36 | |
My name is Kathleen Mcquiston and I live at 13 S Barnett Shoals Rd. | 00:46:44 | |
Which is about two or 300 feet from this facility that is proposed. | 00:46:50 | |
The main problem we're having it is. | 00:46:57 | |
There is no easy access out of. | 00:47:01 | |
In or out of that property. | 00:47:05 | |
And. | 00:47:07 | |
No matter which drive where you ex. | 00:47:08 | |
You're coming on into there's no light. | 00:47:11 | |
Not if you're coming straight across on the Barnett Shoals, not if you're turning down 15. | 00:47:15 | |
So I don't think that's a good idea, especially since pretty soon we're going to have Wire Park with I don't know how many | 00:47:21 | |
residents are there and the place Wisteria Ridge is opening up there's a senior facility it's more and more traffic and if that | 00:47:26 | |
intersection. | 00:47:32 | |
Is loaded with people coming in a **** eyed way into the intersection. I think that's dangerous. | 00:47:38 | |
And secondly, I don't need a special events in my town. I think there's plenty of them around. Ashford Manor was very successful, | 00:47:44 | |
but they had their traffic going in and out of Hardin Hill. They were parking at the church. | 00:47:51 | |
So if there's an overflow of traffic, where are they going to park? | 00:47:58 | |
Umm. | 00:48:04 | |
That's my comments. Thank you, ma'am. And those are site specific comments and I would like Mr. Porter to address those. Not now, | 00:48:05 | |
but once we get into the site specific which is the next hearing. So that will be addressed. | 00:48:11 | |
Intersection would meet that criteria in rock. | 00:48:18 | |
That's and that's something Mr. for when we get to the site specific we'll we'll address that. Thank you. | 00:48:22 | |
Are there any other comments, pro or con, in regards to this proposition? | 00:48:28 | |
Anything from. | 00:48:34 | |
Yes, ma'am. | 00:48:36 | |
My main concern is. | 00:48:38 | |
Concerns is where they would be parking. | 00:48:40 | |
The noise, if there's any music there or anything like that, there needs to be a limit on how high they could turn them the volume | 00:48:45 | |
up because of their near residential areas. | 00:48:50 | |
So once we get to the site specific, which will be the next public hearing, Mr. Porter, if you will address parking and noise, | 00:48:56 | |
please. Right now we're still in the text amendment stage. We're not quite to site specific, although ma'am your concerns are | 00:49:01 | |
understood and they will be addressed and discussed in the next hearing. Thank you. | 00:49:07 | |
The comments or did anything come in in writing miss? | 00:49:14 | |
I've not received anything. Right. Thank you attorney. Right. Well, I was mayor Broderick had mentioned about the the hours. I | 00:49:19 | |
didn't know if under item G on page 4 under event requirements if you would want to, if the council wants to consider a, you know, | 00:49:25 | |
Sunday through Thursday a certain time and Friday, Saturday, right. I've been written in 10:00 PM weeknights at that location and | 00:49:31 | |
that be my suggestion. But that's council's pleasure. | 00:49:37 | |
If there are no further public, I think I hear one more public comment. Yes, please. | 00:49:44 | |
Will Ashford a little bit, 5 Harden Hill Rd. Which is directly next. | 00:49:49 | |
I'm not necessarily opposed to special use of that property, I'm concerned more about the time. | 00:49:53 | |
I mean, I've got a young family. I know other families in that area that have young kids. They go to bed at 8:00. | 00:49:59 | |
I just worry about you. | 00:50:05 | |
Outdoor bands or something with the volume up really high, it goes to 11:00 PM. | 00:50:07 | |
We have to leave our house, essentially. That happens. I'm concerned more about. | 00:50:12 | |
And since we're now discussing kind of a general issue of time frames, both weekend and weeknights generally, Mr. Porter, if you | 00:50:18 | |
don't mind, go ahead and. | 00:50:23 | |
Addressing what times you would be comfortable in this text amend. | 00:50:28 | |
For shutdown on both Friday, Saturday nights and Sunday through Thursday nights, Mr. Mayor, if you want to have him to address | 00:50:33 | |
that. | 00:50:37 | |
Yeah, that's fine. And I think we also need to mention that we do have a noise governance, Mr. Ashford, that would govern, govern | 00:50:41 | |
some of that. So there's a noise ordinance that would also provide. | 00:50:46 | |
Um. | 00:50:51 | |
Guidance. Now, I don't have that in front of me. I haven't looked at it in this context. So we'd need to take a look at what the | 00:50:52 | |
noise ordinance does. I know that. | 00:50:55 | |
Mario and Dave are probably probably have somebody sitting out there who's more familiar with special events than all the rest of | 00:50:58 | |
us combined. So so anyway, but there is also a noise ordinance that does, does govern that to some degree. Miss Lafontaine | 00:51:04 | |
probably made some of that noise in the past at some of those events too. So beautiful noise. So but anyway Mr. Porter come on | 00:51:09 | |
forward and address that. | 00:51:15 | |
It's a little hard to separate the text amendment as a general idea and this particular project like the our application about | 00:51:25 | |
this the site specific. | 00:51:29 | |
I don't think there's any issue. | 00:51:35 | |
At 10:00 on a weekday, as Mr. Reidman mentioned, I would ask that, as I said that that'd be more of a Sunday through Thursday and | 00:51:39 | |
11:00 on a on a Friday and Saturday. | 00:51:43 | |
In terms of noise itself. | 00:51:49 | |
You know as the mayor just mentioned you know certainly are not asking to to vary from the noise ordinance that that would already | 00:51:53 | |
be in place. I think that you know it if a. | 00:51:58 | |
If there was a downtown concert or something going on that that's already could happen, I mean, it'd be this same kind of | 00:52:03 | |
situation. | 00:52:07 | |
In looking at it site. | 00:52:11 | |
The. | 00:52:13 | |
Events that are going to take place there are ones that I hate to get too much in the site specific park are ones that have | 00:52:15 | |
probably been going on there at this site. Everybody knows this, this, you know, historic building for years. I know my wife went | 00:52:20 | |
had a baby shower there in 2013 and so, you know, we're thinking smaller. These aren't loud wedding parties, you know, loud | 00:52:25 | |
concerts. | 00:52:31 | |
Instead think more. | 00:52:37 | |
Rotary get Togethers men's. | 00:52:39 | |
Bridal showers. | 00:52:42 | |
Small get togethers, you know if we place a restriction. So the time is more that if you had a had a group of guys, a men's group | 00:52:44 | |
that got together. If you know if we're following the technical definition of the ordinance. | 00:52:50 | |
And it says it has to end at 10:00. They they've got to vacate the property and leave at 10:00 on a Friday night. And and if | 00:52:55 | |
they're inside or you know, sitting outside not making a lot of noise, not certainly not violating any noise ordinance, which | 00:53:01 | |
would be the same as as if somebody were playing loud music at their house in that same area. We wouldn't want to our our ask is | 00:53:07 | |
not to restrict the ability to do that. We want to be good neighbors. That my client wants to be a good neighbor. | 00:53:13 | |
I would like to think that. | 00:53:21 | |
The people in that area won't really notice that it's even there, or notice a whole lot different from how the property's been | 00:53:22 | |
used historically. | 00:53:26 | |
Because but but again just want to do it the right way and do it have an ordinance and then have some rules to follow. | 00:53:30 | |
I have a question. | 00:53:37 | |
It's not for you per SE, but the times. Let's say 10 or 11:00 PM, whatever it is. | 00:53:41 | |
Is that specific to the event or the the noise? | 00:53:47 | |
Or can we have one for each I guess? | 00:53:52 | |
Like you know, let's say if there is music, let's say it has to be done at, I mean Ashford manner. What? What time did the concert | 00:53:57 | |
stop? | 00:54:01 | |
Self-imposed limit and so. | 00:54:05 | |
Well, always ended at. | 00:54:09 | |
Never. | 00:54:12 | |
All events then DJ's whatever the case. | 00:54:13 | |
Never went. | 00:54:18 | |
10:00 And if the band of the D. | 00:54:19 | |
We went beyond that. The client could potentially lose their deposit. | 00:54:22 | |
And that we did because we had. | 00:54:28 | |
We didn't have neighbors on the church side, obviously, but the Thorntons were living next and they were great members. They | 00:54:31 | |
didn't complain because we complied with those rules. | 00:54:36 | |
With about too loud they call us and we have the bandwidth of these things, right? | 00:54:41 | |
But we never went past. | 00:54:46 | |
Yeah, I like the idea of. | 00:54:49 | |
I like the idea of it. | 00:54:53 | |
Having two different times, I'd say there's no. | 00:54:55 | |
Time. And then there's an event time, I guess. | 00:54:58 | |
And currently as drafted item G that Miss Dickerson alluded to G1 special events non daylight hours shall conclude by 11:00 PM. | 00:55:02 | |
And what we've discussed here is dialing that back to 10:00 PM on weeknights, that's the event duration. | 00:55:12 | |
As far as outside noise, you could add a separate specific parameter for outside noise that even though the outside event ends at | 00:55:19 | |
11:00 during the weekend, you could say outside noise would end at 10 on the weekend. But this is discretion of council. How does | 00:55:25 | |
Council Mayor, I feel advised Mr. Tool I noticed you've come forward why don't you? Why don't you step up here and give us your | 00:55:32 | |
thoughts on this as well and. | 00:55:39 | |
You know, obviously we've got the precedent of Ashford Manor haven't operated. | 00:55:46 | |
That neck of the woods for a while and with minimal complaints. So I'm kind of curious. And your take on their their model here. | 00:55:51 | |
All right, well, Mayor Council, thank you for letting me be here, first of all. | 00:55:55 | |
Why don't you offer your full name and address for the benefit of the group? | 00:56:00 | |
Thank you. | 00:56:05 | |
First of all, Mario, you know this. We've been good neighbors. We're going to continue to be good. Neigh. | 00:56:07 | |
That's not to say anybody's never got too loud. Of course people have gotten loud at anytime and that throughout you know, all of | 00:56:13 | |
history. I don't we don't have any problems with time constraints from that standpoint because we want to continue to be good | 00:56:17 | |
neighbors. | 00:56:21 | |
I've lived here 12 years, I love this community and the last thing I want to do is. | 00:56:26 | |
Actually, I got preachers. Definitely. | 00:56:31 | |
At the end of the day, we want to do what's right. We also want what's fair and what's equitable. But we do. I mean, if we're | 00:56:36 | |
having a no calf event or if we're having a Rotary event or whatever that may be, we do still want to be able to have fun, shut it | 00:56:41 | |
down at a reasonable time, and everybody go home safely. | 00:56:47 | |
And that's pretty much all I have to say, unless there's a specific question that somebody will have. | 00:56:54 | |
No. So my question is actually to the to Mario and the Ashford, if you don't mind me asking you directly, I mean so they, I don't | 00:57:02 | |
know, Mr. Tool, y'all been neighbors for. | 00:57:08 | |
A couple years maybe. | 00:57:15 | |
Two years. Has there, has there been any issue where you're like, Dang, I wish they would shut up. | 00:57:18 | |
Their work, hate events, these are these are private events that he's having with his friends and family that I know of. | 00:57:27 | |
Sorry, I apologize. | 00:57:34 | |
So I think there's a difference what the events that we had at our place they were paid events so and I. | 00:57:38 | |
Can we, are we moving forward here because actually I know we've kind of well, kind of blurred the line. Well, I think it's I | 00:57:46 | |
guess what I'm getting to is I think the reason I think it's important to hear this in the context of the amendment is because it | 00:57:50 | |
would apply whatever we talk about would apply. | 00:57:55 | |
To the amendment, not just to this property, right. And so, so philosophically if you could limit it to the idea of in the South, | 00:58:00 | |
the conditional use in this quarter what the, what timing might make sense here would be helpful so. | 00:58:07 | |
We actually ran an event facility out of Seven South Main. | 00:58:17 | |
And so. | 00:58:21 | |
But I don't know if you want me to go into that now because I've got a bunch of notes on our restrictions. | 00:58:23 | |
We weren't allowed to have amplified music outside. We were only allowed to. Do you know, should I go ahead and do this? No, | 00:58:29 | |
probably not. Yeah, I guess my question. | 00:58:34 | |
7 S Main to Ashford. | 00:58:41 | |
It's two different things, especially because we already ran an event facility out of Seven South Main, so we had rules and | 00:58:44 | |
regulations that we had to abide by. | 00:58:49 | |
So I wanted to just basically tell you guys about those were because if we had to abide by them then what's the difference? What's | 00:58:54 | |
why don't you give us a thumbnail of what those are And then I have a question for Mr. Tool and then we'll come back to the long. | 00:59:00 | |
You just hit the hour, hit the hour part. That's what I that's just the hours. Yeah. So the hours again. | 00:59:06 | |
Concerts 9:00. | 00:59:14 | |
That was it. No if, ands or buts. | 00:59:15 | |
Any other events? Weddings, benefits, anything else that we did? | 00:59:19 | |
10:00 no if ands or buts and we were very serious about. | 00:59:24 | |
And that was just our agreement with our neighbors and we. | 00:59:29 | |
Never went beyond. | 00:59:33 | |
So, all right. So that's that's how that worked. And that was self-imposed. That was something that we did. Nobody asked us to do | 00:59:34 | |
that. | 00:59:37 | |
All right. OK. We'll come back to the specifics then, OK. | 00:59:41 | |
I guess what I'm wondering, Mr. Tool, is you know the IT sounds like there might be an hour differential perhaps in what Mr. | 00:59:46 | |
Castro outlined. | 00:59:49 | |
In five and seven South Main. | 00:59:53 | |
Is that correct, Mario, in terms of your limitations on the two properties in our differential and what you were talking about for | 00:59:55 | |
9 versus 10? | 00:59:59 | |
In. | 01:00:04 | |
Didn't have nothing to do with Ashford Manor versus Southern. | 01:00:07 | |
I. | 01:00:10 | |
All. | 01:00:12 | |
I guess my question for. | 01:00:13 | |
The historic Ashford Manor. | 01:00:15 | |
That, Mister? Castro outlined. Would those be acceptable to you guys as a condition of this? | 01:00:18 | |
OK. | 01:00:23 | |
That's what we want to be. We've been a good neighbor. We're going to continue to do that. We're not changing it because of an | 01:00:26 | |
amendment or anything else. That's the right thing. OK, well, I can't make, I can't make or amend a motion or text amendment. | 01:00:30 | |
That'll be up to council what they decide to do. | 01:00:35 | |
Council. | 01:00:39 | |
Comfortable with the motion as it's proposed, you can carry it forward, you can adjust the text amendment. We can also Joe, if | 01:00:41 | |
it's legal, we can look at specific any specific restrictions related to this permit. | 01:00:46 | |
Versus having to have it apply to the entire text amendment. So that's the Charles discretion. I think we need to decide if we're | 01:00:52 | |
going to move this. | 01:00:55 | |
Text amendment forward at this. | 01:00:59 | |
My work that we can decide if we're going to spend the rest of the time talking about the specific. I think the recommendation | 01:01:00 | |
would be to be uniform in these timeframes. So have the text amendment, not only reference, conclude by the event in general to | 01:01:06 | |
conclude by 11:00 PM Friday and Saturday. | 01:01:12 | |
By 10:00 PM Sunday through Thursday, but also outdoor music and concerts would end at 9:00, and all outdoor events would end at | 01:01:18 | |
10:00 PM. That's a starting point for discussion, subject to tweaking, revising, either direction. | 01:01:26 | |
All right, Council, I'm going to turn it to you guys so we can drive this to a conclusion on this part. Yeah. So my question kind | 01:01:35 | |
of like Jeff's is. | 01:01:39 | |
If. If. | 01:01:43 | |
We're having a men's group or whatever they're having a men's group. There is if they're inside, not causing any noise outside, | 01:01:45 | |
does that still have to end it? | 01:01:50 | |
10:00 PM Not as, not as I've just stated. They still allowed to have events through 11. | 01:01:55 | |
Friday and Saturday evenings through 10 Sunday through Thursday evenings, but any outdoor music and concerts must end at 9, Poet | 01:02:02 | |
Mario stated. | 01:02:07 | |
And outdoor events in general, even if they don't involve outdoor music, Slash concerts and at 10 is a hard deadline. Again, | 01:02:13 | |
starting points for discussion Y'all are just up or down as you deem appropriate. | 01:02:20 | |
Seven days a week. | 01:02:30 | |
As stated, yes as subject to adjustment up or down and whether you want to differentiate between weekend and weekday. | 01:02:33 | |
So. | 01:02:42 | |
Only problem with that is that I mean I don't really have a problem but. | 01:02:44 | |
You know, our ordinance says 11:00 PM. So I mean if I, for instance, want to throw a big party at my house. | 01:02:48 | |
Until 11:00 PM that's. | 01:02:55 | |
But. | 01:02:57 | |
Can't. | 01:02:59 | |
I don't see how that's rightfully fair and I understand, Mr. Ashford, you bought the property. | 01:03:01 | |
I just don't see how it's rightfully fair that I can throw a party at my house a half a mile. | 01:03:08 | |
From your house. | 01:03:13 | |
Until 11:00 PM. | 01:03:14 | |
And they. | 01:03:16 | |
I mean, and if they want to end it at 9 for their own reasons as Mario did, that's that's up to them. | 01:03:18 | |
But I don't see how. | 01:03:25 | |
I can oppose something on you that. | 01:03:27 | |
I'm not. It's not imposed on myself. You may be looking at an amendment to your noise ordinance in their future maybe it sounds | 01:03:29 | |
like, but currently it's not there, so. | 01:03:33 | |
Between paid events and private events. | 01:03:38 | |
All right. So, so from the audience, we just heard the difference in paid an event space. Let's keep it behind the rail though for | 01:03:43 | |
now. But thank you. That's important distinction. | 01:03:46 | |
I think we should add the. | 01:03:52 | |
Amendment to it as far as the noise for the special event. | 01:03:55 | |
Shall stop at 9:00 PM and they go to the 11:00 PM for weekends. | 01:03:59 | |
Ten Sunday to Thursday, if we can modify it to that. | 01:04:04 | |
That works for. | 01:04:08 | |
So, Mr. Campbell, so I understand your modification, it would be noise ends at 9:00 PM regardless of the day of the week. The | 01:04:09 | |
events themselves can go on till 10. | 01:04:13 | |
Sunday through Thursday. | 01:04:17 | |
11 on the weekends, is that correct? That's. | 01:04:20 | |
Mayor, can I can I also point out that it doesn't matter if it's four in the afternoon or six in the evening, the the way the | 01:04:27 | |
noise ordinance works, at least what I've been able to pull up really quickly. | 01:04:32 | |
Is that sound is regulated but it's basically you can't amplify anything outside of 100 feet. So if it's audible outside 100 feet | 01:04:40 | |
it could be 6:00 in the evening and it's a problem and that's an ordinance violation so code violation so so the only not I I love | 01:04:46 | |
jealous property. I really did I went to a lot of events can I speak. | 01:04:53 | |
I did. I went to a lot of Y'all's events. I enjoyed the concerts on the lawn, but when I did not go to the concerts on the lawn, I | 01:05:02 | |
live in Christian lakes and I could hear the concerts from my home very, very clearly on my back porch. | 01:05:08 | |
I just just putting that out there so you know, putting a regular, you know, noise regulation on that. I mean I can very clearly | 01:05:14 | |
sit and I did many times sit on my back porch, enjoy a glass of wine and enjoy the music that was being played. | 01:05:21 | |
And I. | 01:05:28 | |
Pretty good distance away so. | 01:05:29 | |
Just putting that out there. | 01:05:33 | |
If I'm sorry, if you can get to the mic. If you're if the if the mayor council are taking comments and that's their discretion, | 01:05:36 | |
we'll carry on. | 01:05:40 | |
Yep, I understand. | 01:05:45 | |
All right, Yeah. We're going to close the public hearing, bring this back behind the rail and we'll let's talk about Mr. | 01:05:51 | |
Campbell's proposed amend. | 01:05:55 | |
To the text amendment. OK. So will you state that again, Jeff, So just so we're all clear and then we'll see if we get a motion on | 01:06:00 | |
that. | 01:06:03 | |
I'd like to add an. | 01:06:08 | |
To it that the more outside nor you shall stop at 9:00 PM seven days a week. | 01:06:09 | |
And then that the event has to end at. | 01:06:16 | |
10:00 PM Sunday through Thursday and Fridays and Saturdays it can go to 11:00 PM. | 01:06:20 | |
OK. So can we say that's in the form of a motion to be added on to the existing text amendment? | 01:06:27 | |
So, yes, yes, so moved. OK. Do we have a second? All right, now we have an opportunity for discussion. Does anyone want to discuss | 01:06:34 | |
that? | 01:06:38 | |
Amendment to the. | 01:06:43 | |
And I just want to. | 01:06:44 | |
That there's a limit on the. | 01:06:46 | |
Which is governed by the noise ordinance. | 01:06:49 | |
You know, and it's complaint driven. So as long as everybody's liking that music, then nobody calls right back in the day. Because | 01:06:51 | |
I heard it too and enjoyed it. | 01:06:55 | |
All right, so we have a motion. We have a. | 01:07:01 | |
Yep. Final call for discussion. If not all in favor, say aye. | 01:07:03 | |
Aye. Any opposed? | 01:07:09 | |
OK, so we have a three one. | 01:07:11 | |
On the addition of the text amendment, now we're going to move into the public hearing. | 01:07:15 | |
For the actual event. | 01:07:20 | |
Is that going to be Mr. Porter coming back before us? All right. We are opening up the public hearing again. Please, Mr. Porter. | 01:07:23 | |
Speak and give us the details and speak on in favor I assume. | 01:07:30 | |
Good evening, one last time. My name is Stanton Porter. My address is 2925 Fernsville Rd. Bogart. I already talked a good bit | 01:07:39 | |
about what I wanted to say about this particular property. I think I know everybody's familiar with this historic house right at | 01:07:44 | |
the intersection. | 01:07:49 | |
On Main Street. | 01:07:56 | |
Over the years, this property itself has been used for the exact kind of events that we're seeking to do there. You know whether. | 01:07:58 | |
You know. | 01:08:07 | |
Watkinsville didn't have ordinances related to that or zoning that dealt with it. It does now, and so we wanted to bring it before | 01:08:08 | |
the City Council and make sure that we're doing it the right way. | 01:08:13 | |
I think a few things that I want to quickly highlight. I know that we've been here a while and there's still items on the agenda. | 01:08:20 | |
Is that being able to use a property like this? | 01:08:24 | |
Umm. | 01:08:29 | |
And I referenced that that the ordinance itself was modeled after the City of Madison. | 01:08:30 | |
It helps allow historic properties like this to be maintained. | 01:08:35 | |
These old houses and old properties like this are expensive and when they're allowed for some sort of economic use it it allows us | 01:08:40 | |
to preserve the unique character and and preserve that property. We're not seeking to have any changes to that property. Like I | 01:08:44 | |
said, have small scale events. | 01:08:49 | |
Bridal showers, wedding showers. | 01:08:55 | |
Small groups of whether. | 01:08:58 | |
You know, like I said, I think a lot of these events nobody will even know even took place because there's a small group of cars | 01:09:01 | |
and everybody was inside they they had a meeting or a small get together. | 01:09:06 | |
In terms? | 01:09:13 | |
Obviously that's an issue everywhere. I mean you turn into Watkins, downtown, Watkinsville at any time during busy times there. | 01:09:14 | |
There are a number of cars. That's what you get in downtown city areas. | 01:09:20 | |
I think to address that we tried to do several things. The property does have multiple entrances and exits, have multiple | 01:09:26 | |
driveways and so when an event is going on. | 01:09:31 | |
That directed where vehicles are coming in one entrance and out another. | 01:09:37 | |
And like I said, the ordinance itself limits how many people can come to these based on the size and so. | 01:09:41 | |
That limit itself will prevent there being an issue. | 01:09:48 | |
Too many people there not having enough parking. There's a lot of open space parking on the property. | 01:09:52 | |
But the text itself would restrict that to a number that there's not going to be issues in terms of people having to take parking | 01:09:59 | |
spots from other. | 01:10:03 | |
Restaurants or business that are in downtown Watkinsville and walking across it just it wouldn't be by code itself wouldn't be | 01:10:08 | |
allowed. | 01:10:11 | |
And so I think what you're going to see is that you know this property is going to be continued to be maintained. | 01:10:16 | |
It's going to preserve that historic nature, it's going to allow the people in this community to continue enjoy the property | 01:10:21 | |
because they can be there, they can see it. | 01:10:25 | |
Those businesses that are here, so. | 01:11:03 | |
Ask that you approve this conditional use. | 01:11:05 | |
As Mr. Tool said, you know that every intent is to be an excellent neighbor, continue to be an excellent neighbor. With these | 01:11:08 | |
people in the area, we don't. Nobody wants any calls to for code violations or or noise issues, but but do want to be able to use | 01:11:13 | |
the property and and preserve the historic nature. Thank you. | 01:11:19 | |
Thank you, Mr. Porter. Anyone else wish to speak in favor? | 01:11:26 | |
Before we go to opposed quick clarifying question, does the permit travel with the property or with satisfied properties the | 01:11:31 | |
applicant? | 01:11:35 | |
As they currently propose, it is perpetual. This is addressed under their application item. | 01:11:41 | |
I intent is to operate in perpetuity, which will then would travel with the property. Unless in your motion you state otherwise | 01:11:48 | |
and say that it is limited to satisfied properties during the duration of their ownership. OK, I just want to be clear. Council | 01:11:55 | |
discretion. Yes, Sir. Good question. All right. Any opposed or wanting to make comments otherwise? | 01:12:01 | |
So I'm not really opposed, but I'm Mario Castro. I live at 20 Hardin Hill Rd. Really what I wanted to do was just kind of review | 01:12:11 | |
and just kind of remind people that we actually. | 01:12:17 | |
Leased 7 S main from the Thorntons. | 01:12:24 | |
In it was 2011 to 2014. | 01:12:28 | |
And it was a three-year lease that we had and. | 01:12:31 | |
I think it's important that we. | 01:12:36 | |
What I want to do is basically remind you guys what are the rules were for us when we were running that facility and not compare | 01:12:39 | |
it to what we were doing at Ashford Manor because that was a whole completely different ball game. | 01:12:45 | |
So we signed a three-year lease with Mike and Nona Thornton. | 01:12:52 | |
When the negotiations on the lease renewal didn't pan out, we had to close what we call we called it at the time, Ashford on Main. | 01:12:55 | |
And then with Mayor Ivy Ivy's approval, we ran the business under the Ashford Manor umbrella. | 01:13:05 | |
We opened up the privacy fence between the properties at two different locations and so that that way guests and staff could move. | 01:13:11 | |
Between the two, and it also helped with an umbrella insurance policy for events, because obviously we needed to have that. | 01:13:18 | |
We had an agreement with Mayor Ivy and the city that we would not host events with bands, DJ's or concerts because of the | 01:13:27 | |
neighbors to the South. | 01:13:32 | |
All larger events, weddings, concerts, benefits would continue strictly at Ashford Manor. | 01:13:38 | |
Ashrodon, Maine was only allowed to host small events. Fire code restricted us to 50 people maximum. | 01:13:45 | |
We hosted baby showers, bridal showers, birthday parties, anniversaries, etc. We were not allowed to have any amplified music | 01:13:52 | |
outdoors. There were a couple of occasions like First Fridays when we were allowed live music in the front lawn, but that was | 01:13:58 | |
always a six to 8:00 PM event Co hosted by the city. | 01:14:04 | |
There was no food preparation on site outside catering only. There was 1 issue that would have been very costly had we continued | 01:14:11 | |
the business at 7 S Main and that was bringing the facility up to code with ADA compliance. | 01:14:17 | |
That was not brought up until after we opened and we were informed that there was number way to grandfather in the property | 01:14:24 | |
because it had always been a private residence before us. | 01:14:28 | |
Parking and the location of the driveways were always a concern for the local Police Department. | 01:14:34 | |
This was even before the entire intersection was reconfigured, and now you're driving out into the middle of the road. | 01:14:39 | |
There is one item that I'm most confused about, and at the time we were told that the zoning for 7 S Main was live work. | 01:14:47 | |
We lived on the second floor of the house during the three-year lease period. | 01:14:55 | |
Dave's mom was still living during that time and lived on the Ashford Manor property. | 01:15:00 | |
Which covered the live work zoning rules for both properties. | 01:15:05 | |
Were we misinformed at the time, or has that zoning changed? | 01:15:10 | |
And I'm happy to answer any questions you might have. That's a good question, Mario. The change was the change tonight allowing | 01:15:15 | |
officially special events facilities under the stated conditions that were the subject of much discussion. So I think that's the | 01:15:21 | |
change you're alluding to, so you don't have to. | 01:15:27 | |
Not, not as currently ordained under the amendment, That's correct. | 01:15:34 | |
Thank you, Sir. All right, that's. | 01:15:41 | |
Thank you, Maria. Kathleen, you don't have to restate your address. | 01:15:45 | |
Where I live, if we're if you're going to pass this, I would like to know is there a limit on how many people can attend these | 01:15:49 | |
events? | 01:15:54 | |
Yes, the limit is in and I'm I was just searching for that. It's driven by the size of the property. And Joe, I'm struggling to | 01:16:00 | |
find it's GG8 no more than 30 first per thousand square feet that is correct 100. | 01:16:07 | |
Which require 100 people maximum. | 01:16:14 | |
100 people Max. Is this correct? If you pass this, I would highly recommend that you take the curved driveway and make it only one | 01:16:17 | |
entrance from the entrance that's closest to Ashford Manor and close off the other end of the curved driveway. | 01:16:25 | |
And make everyone ex. | 01:16:35 | |
Right turn. | 01:16:37 | |
From the other driveway that's further. | 01:16:39 | |
I was actually going to ask Mr. Tool about that because I am concerned. | 01:16:42 | |
People pulling directly out into that intersection. | 01:16:46 | |
In a moment, let's let Miss Mcquiston, if she's got anything else to say. I want to let her finish up, but I think that's a we do | 01:16:50 | |
need to address that because there is. | 01:16:53 | |
There's no signalization there and it's weird for people to have to come out and not know what to do. I've experienced that, | 01:16:57 | |
especially if they want to crossover to Barnett Hills Rd. | 01:17:01 | |
There have been some comparisons to Madison. Madison does not have Route 15 and Route 44129 going through downtown with multiple | 01:17:06 | |
semi trailer trucks. It's a much larger city. | 01:17:12 | |
And much, a lot more parking opportunities than we have here in downtown Watkinsville. So I would like to make sure that there's | 01:17:19 | |
parking for. | 01:17:24 | |
If there's 100 people. | 01:17:29 | |
At least 50 to 60 cars. | 01:17:31 | |
All right, Mr. | 01:17:36 | |
Thank you all again for letting me speak. Two things. We're having events. There's not a problem at all blocking the middle | 01:17:44 | |
entrance. To your point that people can't go out. I think if you're not having against, you should keep them open. | 01:17:50 | |
But if you're having an event, you block it so nobody comes, you know, in or out. | 01:17:56 | |
We've been using that for two years. Everybody else has used it forever. Accidents can happen anywhere on the logistics, have | 01:18:01 | |
logistics degrees, Step a little closer to the mic. I know you don't probably don't like it, but we need the public to hear. Can | 01:18:06 | |
you hear? That's fine. | 01:18:11 | |
Yep. OK. | 01:18:17 | |
The egress in and out. You can still come in one in and go out the other quite safely. I do it daily. | 01:18:21 | |
Even the people who would come to an event to explain to them what's going on, you block off the middle entrance. So I know there | 01:18:27 | |
are some concerns, but there's some concerns to our point, a lot of places. I just think you take the mitigating steps to make | 01:18:32 | |
sure you're as safe as you can anytime you have an event, and that's always our utmost concern of anything. The last thing I want | 01:18:37 | |
is for anybody to get injured, Miss Kathleen specifically, you know, coming in and out of there, I don't want that to happen at | 01:18:42 | |
all. | 01:18:47 | |
Yep. | 01:18:53 | |
So a condition may be that the during it during special events the middle entrance will be closed and. | 01:18:54 | |
I think it'd be. I just we don't need cars coming into a complicated intersection. We don't need five points when there's no | 01:19:02 | |
nothing to have a light for the fifth point. | 01:19:07 | |
OK. | 01:19:13 | |
OK. | 01:19:16 | |
Well, if we have anybody else who wants to speak. | 01:19:17 | |
Still in a public forum, so anyone else who wants to speak specifically about. | 01:19:20 | |
All right, y'all. I'm going to close it down then and bring it back behind the rail, OK? | 01:19:28 | |
Mr. Ashford, I do. I do appreciate one. I appreciate y'all buying the house. I know it's a long standing house. Your family's been | 01:19:32 | |
there forever and I'm very proud that y'all y'all bought it again and and we'll have the name again. So I'm extremely happy that | 01:19:38 | |
y'all are there and I hope that you know y'all are satisfied with with your neighbors as well. | 01:19:45 | |
I just want to put that out. I really am glad for y'all to be. | 01:19:53 | |
Go to the mic, please. Can you do it like, I'm so sorry people are listening like. | 01:19:58 | |
Just be speaking in the opposition category, we're not necessarily. | 01:20:05 | |
Having kids trying to go to bed at 8:00 with a band, you know, ramped all the way up till 11:00 PM. There's just something to make | 01:20:11 | |
it hard for us. We understand and that has been addressed through the text amendment earlier with the change recommended for 9:00 | 01:20:17 | |
PM for the cutoff time for the outdoor music. And I think at this time public hearing is closed. Mayor and Council, I would direct | 01:20:23 | |
your attention to the same provisions that I noted earlier. | 01:20:29 | |
Conditional uses not injurious to use an environment, enjoyment of the environment or other property in the vicinity will not | 01:20:35 | |
impede normal and orderly development. Surrounding property for uses predominant location and character consistent with a | 01:20:40 | |
desirable pattern of development. | 01:20:46 | |
Compatibility with adjacent properties whether the use will create. | 01:20:52 | |
Unreasonable, Adverse impacts, Length of time for which it is. | 01:20:57 | |
Again, their intent is in perpetuity, Mr. Mayor, to address your question. Finally and importantly, special conditions in | 01:21:03 | |
connection there with the reference to blocking the middle entry during events, was that proposed special condition. | 01:21:10 | |
Up to you Mayor and Council. Mr. Porter. Mr. Tool, are you guys comfortable with the permit being for satisfied food and not | 01:21:17 | |
traveling with the property was satisfied? | 01:21:21 | |
OK, I think that ensures that should this should the property change hands. | 01:21:28 | |
Then that would require this matter to come back before us. As you know, we were neighbors here, we know each other, but that way | 01:21:33 | |
we don't have this living in perpetuity potentially with someone new acquiring the property and that should give you guys some | 01:21:37 | |
assurance so you know how to reach. | 01:21:42 | |
The folks who are right there and live in the community with you should something come up and that's how it preserved a prefer to. | 01:21:47 | |
Resolve these kind of tricky issues all right, so I'm would like to one of y'all because I can't to request that we add this. | 01:21:52 | |
Condition around closing down the middle lane during special events. | 01:22:02 | |
And that the permit will travel with. | 01:22:05 | |
Satisfied and not be and not travel with the with the property. | 01:22:08 | |
If you guys are comfortable with that then please make a motion. | 01:22:15 | |
And we'll move this forward one way or. | 01:22:18 | |
Joe would be alright if I just said so moved. | 01:22:21 | |
That would suffice. Thank you. | 01:22:25 | |
So we have a motion. Do we have a second? Second. All right. Do we have any further discussion? And now just a point of | 01:22:27 | |
clarification, the motion would be to approve the conditional use as presented, albeit with those two stated conditions blocking | 01:22:32 | |
the middle entry during events and only. | 01:22:37 | |
A permit for satisfied properties. It will not travel with the land but be unique to satisfied properties per our agreement and | 01:22:42 | |
discussion a moment ago. | 01:22:47 | |
Joe, can I just ask a question real quick because the the text amendment actually. | 01:22:54 | |
And that's what's confusing me. It says a license shall not shall be immediately avoided on the sale, lease or transfer the real | 01:22:59 | |
estate. | 01:23:02 | |
And that's a good catch. I had forgotten that. So that is, can we kind of have a belt and suspender approach? Let's leave that in | 01:23:06 | |
there though. | 01:23:09 | |
Two layers, 2 layers of protection, all right. So we have a motion, We have a second. Any further discussion behind the rail? | 01:23:14 | |
Hearing. | 01:23:23 | |
All in favor, Say aye. | 01:23:24 | |
I. | 01:23:27 | |
I've heard three, I think all. | 01:23:27 | |
Aye, carries. | 01:23:30 | |
All right, we will then move on to our public hearing for zoning text amendment allowing upscale artist studio for body art | 01:23:34 | |
tattooing. | 01:23:38 | |
As a conditional use in the employment. | 01:23:42 | |
Attorney Reitman, take the lead once again here. All right. Yes, Mr. Mayor, Thank you. We're now on agenda item number 16. Zoning | 01:23:45 | |
text. Amendment. Upscale artist. Studio body. Art. Tattooing is a conditional use only employment center. Please note, Mayor and | 01:23:52 | |
Council, this includes A detailed ordinance amendment. | 01:23:59 | |
That looks. | 01:24:08 | |
This ordinance amending Watkinsville code regarding body art. | 01:24:11 | |
That is. | 01:24:17 | |
A 14, almost 14 page length document that addresses public health, safety and welfare. The preamble language of that specifically | 01:24:20 | |
states as follows. | 01:24:26 | |
Council finds that unregulated operation of body craft studios and body craft procedures constitutes a health risk and a | 01:24:33 | |
significant risk of transfer of diseases, infections, etcetera. | 01:24:40 | |
And that substandard and poor sanitary conditions could pose a significant risk to health, safety and welfare. And that these | 01:24:46 | |
regulations include reasonable standards that will ameliorate the substandard sanitary conditions in this industry and safeguard | 01:24:53 | |
the public health, safety and general welfare. I'll also advise Mayor and Council that. | 01:25:00 | |
These are regulations that were semi standardized 7 or 8 years ago. I initially prepared these for Town of New Bern based on what | 01:25:07 | |
I recall generally was a somewhat becoming a statewide model at that time. We also adapted these for Town of New Bern and then | 01:25:15 | |
excuse me for Town of Walnut Grove and then updated them for for Watkinsville Mayor and councils consideration by trying to make | 01:25:23 | |
them a little simpler, a little more user friendly but without losing any of the protective nature. | 01:25:30 | |
To protect the public health, safety and welfare. So should you entertain allowing this use as a conditional use under your | 01:25:38 | |
ordinance? | 01:25:42 | |
I would recommend to be subject to these 13 1/2 pages of proposed conditions. | 01:25:47 | |
At this time we do we have any comment from staff in regard to this application? | 01:25:52 | |
And there is an applicant who I believe has made a conditional use application in the hope or anticipation of approval of this as | 01:25:59 | |
an amendment. Is the applicant here tonight and do you wish to be heard in regards to what I've just described? | 01:26:07 | |
And if you would step up and state your name and address please. | 01:26:15 | |
And your comments, not so much about your proposed business at this time, that will be the next public hearing, but in regards to | 01:26:19 | |
why I've just stated the concept of allowing such a use subject to restrictions. And Miss Clark, before you get going, I'll just | 01:26:24 | |
remind everyone #1 there's bound to be some crossover between the general idea and the specifics of what Miss Clark's going to | 01:26:30 | |
discuss. | 01:26:35 | |
And again, y'all just bear with us. This is, this is how we make the sausage in local government, so just stick with us, We'll get | 01:26:40 | |
through it as quick as we can, but we've got to follow this process and it's. | 01:26:45 | |
Honestly, it's kind of rewarding to see neighbors come together and sort of talk things through and and get to and get to get to | 01:26:51 | |
some decent conclusions here. So with that, Miss Clark, go ahead and give us your thoughts on the text amendment please. | 01:26:57 | |
Thank you. | 01:27:04 | |
My name is Jessica Clark. I live at 5855 Lexington Rd. In Winterville, GA. | 01:27:06 | |
Thank you so much for taking the time. I know this is a very long text amendment with a lot of nuances. | 01:27:13 | |
I am currently a tattoo artist working in Athens, GA at Chicolos Tattoos. I'm licensed and certified. | 01:27:21 | |
I completed. | 01:27:34 | |
Three-year apprenticeship before tattoo. | 01:27:36 | |
As far as the text amendment goes, I'm 100% compliant with the Department of Public Health. | 01:27:41 | |
I've actually been in touch with April. | 01:27:48 | |
At your local. | 01:27:51 | |
Location in regard to sinks and plumbing and whatever else she needs for me. | 01:27:53 | |
The help of my clients is. | 01:28:00 | |
By far 100% my biggest priority. | 01:28:03 | |
I don't go move forward with any tattoo unless my client is 100% sure, and if they aren't sure, we reschedule without any kind of. | 01:28:08 | |
Consequence to their deposits. | 01:28:19 | |
Do you have any questions for? | 01:28:22 | |
As far. | 01:28:24 | |
Standard order of procedures or. | 01:28:28 | |
Umm. | 01:28:31 | |
The medical aspect of the business. | 01:28:32 | |
I have a quest. | 01:28:37 | |
Over here. | 01:28:39 | |
I I don't know anything about tattoos. | 01:28:41 | |
Curious are they are? | 01:28:46 | |
Studios inspected each year or tell me a little bit on safety wise. | 01:28:50 | |
Required to be inspected once a year, but I did look over the text amendment and saw that there was. | 01:28:56 | |
A clause in there to be inspected every six months, which I am 100% on board with. I will be compliant in any kind of way that | 01:29:03 | |
makes you comfortable. | 01:29:07 | |
Umm, everything I use is single use only. EO, gas sterilized I buy them from. | 01:29:12 | |
Professional, professional manufacturers of tattoo supplies and they only sell 2 licensed tattoo artists. | 01:29:19 | |
There's. | 01:29:28 | |
Strong standard in our field and unfortunately. | 01:29:30 | |
With the past, you know. I know that not all tattoo artists have wonderful reputations, but it is my goal to work. | 01:29:36 | |
Umm, you know, in a way where people can be comfortable, you know, and they're not intimidated and they don't feel bullied? | 01:29:43 | |
Because I certainly have experienced that in my, you know, in my own adventures and getting tattooed. | 01:29:50 | |
I don't. I hope that answered your question. Yeah. Thank you. | 01:30:01 | |
And for the sake of clarity, what is presently before the mayor and council is the initial determination of do you want to have? | 01:30:08 | |
Tattoo artists inside Watkinsville and in full candor and more and disclosure to you, there has been a fair bit of discussion of | 01:30:16 | |
this in distant years past, in 2007 when the Watkinsville ordinance was originally passed. At that time the determination was not | 01:30:24 | |
to do so because of the concerns that you stated of that. Not all tattoo artists are created or operate equally, potential stigma | 01:30:31 | |
and I think you identified in your application the ones that have the neon signs outside. | 01:30:38 | |
In the loud heavy metal and the issue with Mayor and council always is precedent and so I'm giving this to you as context and | 01:30:46 | |
background information in full candor and disclosure for what it's worth. Having said that, Mayor and council, if you do decide to | 01:30:53 | |
pass this would have to, and I may sound like a broken record, but it is important to ensure that any conditional use will not be | 01:30:59 | |
injurious to use and enjoyment of environment or other property in the vicinity. | 01:31:06 | |
Or impede normal and orderly development of surrounding property for use, is predominant in the area, or have a location or | 01:31:13 | |
structure consistent with a desirable pattern of development. And then to the next page, again stating what was mentioned earlier. | 01:31:20 | |
Compatibility with adjacent properties and with other properties in the same zoning, and whether the proposed use will create | 01:31:26 | |
unreasonable adverse impacts upon any adjoining businesses, and whether the length of time for which the conditional use permit is | 01:31:33 | |
granted should be limited in duration. | 01:31:40 | |
These are all the same standards that I mentioned earlier and the other applications that if you all should choose to approve | 01:31:47 | |
this, then those standards would apply once we get to your individual application if they approve this. | 01:31:54 | |
I would also like to say that I am. | 01:32:02 | |
Completely happy to include in the amendment that I will be appointment only and that it will be a single artist tattoo studio. | 01:32:05 | |
With no expansion you. | 01:32:14 | |
I mean, I like what we did with satisfied foods as far as the application goes with the owner. So if. | 01:32:17 | |
For example you. | 01:32:24 | |
Someone else can't come. | 01:32:26 | |
Because I think if it's granted, it would be granted based on the. | 01:32:28 | |
I think is a huge factor, at least for me. | 01:32:33 | |
Yeah, So what? Joe was talking about it a minute ago. Look, I have tattoos. I have plenty of tattoos. I've taken my 6 year old | 01:32:37 | |
daughter to get her ear pierced at a tattoo place. I have no issues with tattoo places. | 01:32:45 | |
My. | 01:32:54 | |
Issue is the precedence that we're setting. | 01:32:55 | |
It's it's not you I loved your presentation you sent. | 01:32:59 | |
You have a beautiful presentation. A beautiful. | 01:33:04 | |
It's the. | 01:33:08 | |
Precedents that we're setting in Watkins. | 01:33:09 | |
Umm. | 01:33:13 | |
That might be to include any amendments in that conditional use or text amendment to make you comfortable whatever you guys want. | 01:33:17 | |
That's that's again, it's it's not about tattoos. I have them. They're visible tattoos. | 01:33:26 | |
I understand it can bring a rough crowd in. | 01:33:32 | |
But it's it's been my goal to avoid that, I bet all of my clients and. | 01:33:36 | |
As of right now, I work in a completely female owned. | 01:33:42 | |
You know, employed shop, yeah. | 01:33:46 | |
For me, it's really important for my safety, you know, I mean, a lot of this is about sending a good precedent. | 01:33:49 | |
For tattoo artists and tattoo artists who are working very hard to work ethically and reverse that stigma. | 01:33:56 | |
But I don't want to put myself in a bad situation either, so I make sure that everybody I work with. | 01:34:02 | |
You know, clients included. | 01:34:08 | |
Are not going to make me feel uncomfortable as well. | 01:34:12 | |
Why do you think this? | 01:34:20 | |
Hmm. | 01:34:23 | |
I'm just curious why you think the text. | 01:34:24 | |
Watkinsville needs Why do you want to be in Watkinsville I guess is what I'm asking. | 01:34:28 | |
I really like it here. I think it's really beautiful and quaint. I like small towns. I love cities. | 01:34:33 | |
Establishment. It's perfect for me. I we have a little farm in Winterville, so I really enjoy the barn aesthetic. | 01:34:41 | |
I'm really interested in having the amenities that Walkinsville has to offer. | 01:34:51 | |
Having a yoga studio would be great for me, and I love that you guys have a little arts community. I would be really happy to be | 01:34:56 | |
involved in that. | 01:35:01 | |
I just. | 01:35:09 | |
I find it lovely. I loved working at Pub on Main and I loved, you know, the atmosphere of the city. | 01:35:11 | |
All right. | 01:35:19 | |
We're still in a public hearing, Council. Any other questions for Miss Clark? | 01:35:20 | |
Right, Miss. Clark will give you a break. Anyone else want to step forward and speak in favor of the text amendment? | 01:35:26 | |
I think, you know it's 2022. The precedent we can go back. I was here when beer and wine passed. | 01:35:37 | |
And then everybody said, oh, then it's going to be liquor by the drink. There goes the town, Well, we have that now. | 01:35:45 | |
And then it was the strip joints are coming, they're not here, a tattoo parlor like she described. As long as you guys decide that | 01:35:50 | |
or. | 01:35:55 | |
Make these rules about how it's going to be run and how it's going to look and how it's going to affect the neighbors. There's | 01:36:00 | |
absolutely nothing wrong with it. It's not going to ruin our. | 01:36:05 | |
All right. Keep on coming, folks. Hey, this is Christina Lafontaine. I live at 25 S Barnett Shoals Rd. And I do agree with Mario | 01:36:16 | |
and I think I'm actually not far from the property that this particular person is talking about. But I I agree with the fact that | 01:36:23 | |
it really, as long as there are major parameters for whatever we're talking about, which basically everything we're talking about | 01:36:31 | |
tonight is putting strong parameters on everything. I do feel like if we are trying to. | 01:36:38 | |
Have a well-rounded community and a community that has something for everyone. And we're not trying to just be so narrow that we | 01:36:46 | |
don't have a nice eclectic group. And I think we already do have a really good eclectic group of folks. But yeah, I mean, I I can | 01:36:53 | |
imagine maybe walking my daughter down someday and getting her ears pierced there while there's a yoga class going on. So, I mean, | 01:36:59 | |
I think that there are ways to do it where it is. | 01:37:06 | |
And a completely acceptable and. | 01:37:12 | |
Enjoyable. | 01:37:15 | |
Amenity to offer our residents and the area residents. | 01:37:18 | |
What they said. | 01:37:32 | |
And I would, I would venture to guess that most of the people in this room have a tattoo. I don't have a tattoo because I'm an old | 01:37:35 | |
generation and we had those old. | 01:37:39 | |
Taboos and What kind of people got tattoos? But it's not like that anymore. Now almost everybody has a tattoo, and I think I'll | 01:37:44 | |
get a Shamrock on my heel next time she opens. | 01:37:50 | |
Thank you. | 01:37:58 | |
Bishop, 2071 Elder Mill Rd. With all these conditional use permits tonight, what are the enforcement regulations that are on them? | 01:38:05 | |
So how will you enforce these rules you put on everybody that they got to keep up with? You know what you've said here tonight, | 01:38:10 | |
just curious about that. | 01:38:15 | |
Practically speaking, logistically in most communities it ends up being complaint based. Having said that, however, we do have | 01:38:21 | |
code enforcement. Code enforcement is vigilant and what they can ascertain from the outside noise by way of example, obviously | 01:38:29 | |
things of that nature will be enforced. Is that a fine or is that a loss of the conditional use permit? | 01:38:37 | |
It could ultimately lead to both preliminarily or primarily cases are brought to the Municipal Court as a code violation. However, | 01:38:45 | |
some of these are annually renewable licenses, Special event facility case in point. | 01:38:53 | |
In an instance like that, should somebody be a violator, obviously the mayor and council would take that into serious | 01:39:01 | |
consideration at the next annual license renewal time. Sure. OK. Thank you. Yes, Sir. | 01:39:07 | |
Can I also point out that in the in the amendment it mentions. | 01:39:13 | |
Miss Clark mentioned it earlier. Twice a year there will be annual inspections carried on by both the city and the health | 01:39:19 | |
department. | 01:39:23 | |
And Speaking of these conditions, these are geared towards the health aspect. These aren't necessarily geared towards the | 01:39:28 | |
atmosphere, the ambiance, the getting away from the neon lights, getting away from the heavy metal music and that stigma thing | 01:39:35 | |
that we spoke of earlier. | 01:39:41 | |
These just really are more geared strictly towards the health side. | 01:39:48 | |
If the Council does lean in. | 01:39:52 | |
Based upon the presentation being made by the applicant in the next item on the docket. | 01:39:55 | |
Then you may wish to consider some of her proposed self restrictive language. | 01:40:01 | |
In any approval of a conditional use, I have not addressed that here. I have simply addressed the health side, which leaves open | 01:40:06 | |
the, the, the. | 01:40:11 | |
Widespread range of options of kind of mirroring what the applicant on the next item the docket has proposed and making those | 01:40:17 | |
actual conditions for each and every future one. But I have not drawn those up for this tonight. I didn't know that that seemed | 01:40:23 | |
premature. Therefore we focused on the health side. | 01:40:29 | |
All right. We have heard from those who are in favor. Is there anyone else wishing to speak in favor? | 01:40:37 | |
All right. Is there anyone wishing to speak opposed? | 01:40:43 | |
Miss Heimel, if you could state your address again. | 01:40:49 | |
40 Twin Oaks Trail Watkins. | 01:40:51 | |
We do not need a tattoo parlor in our community. | 01:40:56 | |
Currently, I looked earlier, I could find 12 tattoo parlors in Athens. I'm sure there are many more, but that's what it pulled up. | 01:41:00 | |
Umm Nine of which are within 10 miles of the proposed site and a 20 minutes of drive time. | 01:41:08 | |
Of that location. | 01:41:15 | |
Umm in addition. | 01:41:17 | |
Her authority, Tattoo Calm, which is an online tattoo website. | 01:41:19 | |
40% of Americans have a tattoo. | 01:41:26 | |
Per our demographics in 2020. | 01:41:29 | |
Pardon. Let me add. 40% of Americans under the age of 35 need to add that have a tattoo. | 01:41:32 | |
In 2020, our average resident age was 34, so that tells me that 40% of our residents are tattooed. | 01:41:39 | |
Which also tells me that 60% are not. | 01:41:48 | |
Which makes me think that. | 01:41:51 | |
Maybe they're against it, or if they weren't against it, they would get it. They would have one because, you know, tattoo parlors | 01:41:53 | |
are very prolific now. They're all over the place. | 01:41:57 | |
Umm. | 01:42:01 | |
That's the first thing let's see. | 01:42:03 | |
Safety is an issue. There have been, there have been studies that have been done. | 01:42:07 | |
Umm that. | 01:42:12 | |
Tattoo parlors comes crime. | 01:42:14 | |
Mainly because they have. | 01:42:18 | |
Tattoo parlors are a lot of times associated with gang members, so there was like for instance back at the end of last year double | 01:42:20 | |
shooting outside a part a tattoo parlor in Tacoma, WA. | 01:42:25 | |
Delray Beach, FL is is drafting a policy that would restrict this. | 01:42:31 | |
Because they're also worried about gang association. | 01:42:37 | |
So. | 01:42:41 | |
Not to mention lastly. | 01:42:43 | |
From my experience living in another county that is close to us, it's a bigger county and it's more more populated with people. | 01:42:46 | |
Just from my personal experience, once a tattoo parlor moves into a shopping center, I understand that this is not a shopping | 01:42:54 | |
center, but we are talking about the text amendment. | 01:42:58 | |
That all of a sudden these other kind of businesses follow which could be. | 01:43:03 | |
You know, CBD stores. | 01:43:09 | |
And nail salons, tanning salons, these kind of things, so. | 01:43:13 | |
I don't think that US as a. | 01:43:17 | |
Wants all of that to come, so that's why I'm speaking. | 01:43:20 | |
Text Amendment. | 01:43:24 | |
To the. | 01:43:27 | |
OK. That's it. Thank you. | 01:43:28 | |
Thank you, miss. | 01:43:32 | |
Anyone else wishing to speak? | 01:43:33 | |
You come back up, yeah, we'll take, we'll take feedback. | 01:43:38 | |
My name is Cindy Jarrell. I live at 90 S Barnett Shoals Rd. I own the property 100 S Barnett Shoals Rd. Where? | 01:43:47 | |
Jessica would like to have her business and downstairs is a yoga studio and it's really important to me. | 01:43:56 | |
They stay as long as they want because I love Shonda that runs. | 01:44:03 | |
And so my. | 01:44:07 | |
The first thing I. | 01:44:10 | |
When someone rents is that they're quiet and compatible with everybody else. | 01:44:11 | |
And Jessicas really impressed me. | 01:44:17 | |
Very talented. | 01:44:21 | |
And. | 01:44:23 | |
Wants to make it as a fine artist and I know she. | 01:44:25 | |
That's all I want to say. | 01:44:33 | |
All right. Anyone else wishing? | 01:44:40 | |
OK, we'll close the public hearing. | 01:44:45 | |
And bring it back back behind the rail for the council. Again, we're considering the text amendment allowing. | 01:44:48 | |
Upscale Artist studio for body art and tattooing as a conditional use only in the employment Center. | 01:44:55 | |
Area of Watkinsville I. | 01:45:01 | |
We can have some discussion or motion at this point. Mayor can make a couple comments or observations. I think it's important Joe, | 01:45:04 | |
the attorney turning right and mentioned that you know this is mostly health. A lot of this stuff is not code that the city | 01:45:12 | |
actually will regulate. The County Health Department will regulate most of this along with the state. They regulate that industry. | 01:45:19 | |
What the city will do though is should a conditional use be approved in the next in the next steps if this amendments approved. | 01:45:26 | |
We will make sure that the zoning standards are met, that building permits, you know, are pulled and that the facility is | 01:45:34 | |
inspected and adheres to our life safety and health standards. So those are the kind of things we'll do. But this we will rely on | 01:45:40 | |
the county and the state to do their job as well. | 01:45:45 | |
And are there currently, does the county currently allow these type of facilities, Miss Dickerson? | 01:45:52 | |
I didn't look into that. I do not know the answer to that. | 01:45:58 | |
Does anyone know the answer to that? | 01:46:02 | |
Miss Clark, do you know if the county allows outside of Watkinsville, does Oconee County allow these facilities? | 01:46:06 | |
There currently aren't any tattoo shops. | 01:46:15 | |
However, I did see forms for body art applications on the Oconee. | 01:46:19 | |
Government website. | 01:46:27 | |
Thank you. | 01:46:29 | |
I have any. | 01:46:32 | |
All right, Council, back to you, Miss Dickerson. You have any anything else? OK. | 01:46:35 | |
Council comments. | 01:46:40 | |
Whatever you want to do at this point. | 01:46:42 | |
I'd like to make a motion that we would consider the zoning text amendment for allowing upscale artists studio for body art and | 01:46:45 | |
tattoo. | 01:46:50 | |
All right, we have a motion. Do we have a? | 01:46:56 | |
Question if I can, could we at? | 01:46:59 | |
I would like to approve it, but I would like it. | 01:47:03 | |
Amendments, I guess Joe, don't we have to second it and then have discussion amendment, that's what I was kind of being informal | 01:47:06 | |
tonight. But yeah, if you don't mind, let's go ahead and second it for discussion then you can vote as you will or for we can make | 01:47:10 | |
an amendment to it, so. | 01:47:15 | |
Go ahead and say second, then we'll go OK second. All right, now go ahead and. | 01:47:20 | |
With the proposed, with the proposed amendments, is that OK that that the studio? | 01:47:24 | |
That the license goes with the owner, so if the owner closes the business. | 01:47:34 | |
It cannot is not transferable, just like we did with the previous special events facility. | 01:47:40 | |
For the Department of Public Health. | 01:47:48 | |
I actually can't be licensed unless I have an establishment. The licensing is done through the established tattoo artist shop that | 01:47:51 | |
it has already been approved by the health inspector and has a business permit. | 01:47:56 | |
Yeah, I think it works similar to like an alcohol license. | 01:48:03 | |
So does that have a physical location? | 01:48:08 | |
Well, we understand that. I guess what Mr. Mr. Campbell's asking is if you sold the business. | 01:48:11 | |
Does that person also buy? Would that person be able to come in and operate immediately, or would that person have to come back | 01:48:17 | |
before us? Would we lay on? | 01:48:21 | |
And do the conditional use apply for a conditional use again, go through this entire process and then be able to be licensed in | 01:48:27 | |
order to operate in that location? | 01:48:31 | |
OK. Let's make note of that for the minutes and make sure that that I think that's we need to be sure that's reflected. | 01:48:37 | |
We can reflect that in the text amendment. If that's how you want to make your motion, I think that's important. So even though | 01:48:45 | |
it's governed by the Department of Health with that. | 01:48:50 | |
I do like that it's single single tattoo artist. | 01:48:57 | |
So again, that would. | 01:49:02 | |
I mean, hopefully would help you worry less about, yeah, you know, bringing in additional people or someone coming in to Oconee | 01:49:03 | |
County or Watkinsville wanting to bring a full crew of tattoo artists. Yeah, that's my point. Is that a single tattoo artist? | 01:49:11 | |
Spot going into for visit. For this example, you're going into the yoga studio. | 01:49:19 | |
No one's really going to know you're. | 01:49:25 | |
No Sir, it's not. And I. | 01:49:27 | |
I mean, you probably don't know what these are, but they. | 01:49:31 | |
The tattoo machines that I use are lithium ion based battery powered. | 01:49:35 | |
One, so they look like very large sharpies. | 01:49:41 | |
And those are, for the most part, very, very quiet. One of them that I have is silent. The other one is just a hum. So it's not | 01:49:46 | |
that traditional noise that you are thinking of when you think of, you know, being in a tattoo shop. And I'm thinking more of, you | 01:49:53 | |
know, being a single tattoo artist. You're in this location in that building that. | 01:49:59 | |
Doesn't really have a. | 01:50:06 | |
A big presence. It's not like you're opening, let's say a Town Center for example, and you want to put in six. | 01:50:08 | |
Tattoo artists in the signage and the attraction. Anyone can come in and get tattoos anytime of the day. | 01:50:13 | |
My opinion is tying it to the business, to the individual with a license. | 01:50:20 | |
It can only be one single tattoo artist and an appointment only. | 01:50:26 | |
Are the amendments I would like to add. I tend to book out for three to four months at a time. | 01:50:30 | |
So I don't have walk in's. I don't really like them because I feel like it can lend. | 01:50:37 | |
To a situation. | 01:50:45 | |
You may have someone come in that's in a vulnerable position, and I mean, I have no problem with street shops. I've worked in some | 01:50:48 | |
and you know, they're fun, but it is a very different atmosphere. | 01:50:52 | |
And I like being prepared. I like having that intimate experience with my clients. | 01:50:58 | |
And I like knowing that they are 100%. | 01:51:03 | |
Completely satisfied with their design before we move forward. | 01:51:08 | |
And that for me is very important because I don't want to have anxiety about it when I get home. | 01:51:12 | |
So I want to make. | 01:51:18 | |
You know, everyone's comfortable and it's it's pleasurable and it's fun and it's safe and it's educational. | 01:51:20 | |
OK. So Mr. Garrett, would you be willing to accept Mr. Campbell's amendments? OK, can I offer a couple things real quick? So two | 01:51:28 | |
things. First of all, it does say on page, gosh, it's #12 bodycraft studio permit. | 01:51:36 | |
Permits are not transferable from owner to owner, or from business location to business location, or from person to person. | 01:51:46 | |
The one thing I would like you all to consider because it makes it very onerous on the on the staff. | 01:51:52 | |
Is the way it's written right now. It says Body Craft Studio permit must be obtained annually and expires 365 days from the date | 01:51:58 | |
of issuance. | 01:52:02 | |
The special special events permit says that it shall be for one year until December 31st of the year at the applications paid. | 01:52:05 | |
That would be much easier for us to maintain, for us to have to keep track of all these different permits and stuff. It just makes | 01:52:10 | |
it very owner. So I'd like for that to be amended. | 01:52:15 | |
As. | 01:52:22 | |
OK. So the permit expires on December 31st and then would be renewed the next year. OK. And what was that Section #12 that was 12? | 01:52:23 | |
As in boy, page seven, I'm sorry, then I see Page 7. All right, 12B7, we're making that adjustment. Mr. Garrett, are you fine with | 01:52:33 | |
that amendment as well? | 01:52:38 | |
Yes, OK. All right. So we have. | 01:52:43 | |
We have. | 01:52:47 | |
And we have a second with the conditions as outlined. | 01:52:48 | |
Any further discussion from council? | 01:52:51 | |
Can I go ahead and state those conditions just so we can be clear? Sure. Still making the sausage on here? Approval only. As to | 01:52:54 | |
the current application does not travel with the property. I know somebody's not praise hand. We'll get to that. Thank you, ma'am. | 01:53:00 | |
If with the mayor S permission #2, it'd be a solo artist only. | 01:53:05 | |
#3 it be by appointment only. | 01:53:13 | |
Number. | 01:53:18 | |
December 31, Annual expiration date. | 01:53:19 | |
And I made a note to myself. | 01:53:24 | |
For council to. | 01:53:27 | |
You know the stigma arises from a. | 01:53:29 | |
Milieu and a certain appearance, including the neon signs. No. Neon has been a representation and a promise of this applicant. I | 01:53:31 | |
don't think it's allowed by city. It's not. Well, I'm talking about indoor, not just the outdoor, because I know that you're | 01:53:37 | |
correct. 100% outdoor? No. No. | 01:53:42 | |
I would say no end or two if you're trying to avoid that milieu and that, you know it's up to y'all, yeah, I'm not, I don't want | 01:53:48 | |
to regulate the inside of private business owners properties honestly. All right, so so those are the four conditions then that | 01:53:53 | |
have been stated again when I worked on this. | 01:53:59 | |
Only looked at primarily the health side of things, did not look at these other conditions, did not look at synchronizing the | 01:54:05 | |
health provisions with the various representations, promises and agreements of this applicant. | 01:54:11 | |
You may want to get a statement from her as to any other unique provisions that she's proposing and actually fold those into the | 01:54:19 | |
text amendment to avoid that precedent concern, Brett, that you spoke of earlier. | 01:54:24 | |
And again, I'm sorry, this is this may prolong it, but to ensure that you don't have an undesired unwanted precedent issue by | 01:54:30 | |
approving this with fewer conditions and perhaps you could reasonably impose. | 01:54:37 | |
All right. I think we beat it around forever, honestly. Miss Hamill, did you have one more comment you want to make? You could he | 01:54:44 | |
addressed it. OK, Council, do you have any desire to hear more conditions from the applicant or do we want to carry this forward? | 01:54:50 | |
I'm not seeing any heads nodding. OK. | 01:54:57 | |
Any further discussion from council, we have a motion. We have a second the attorneys outline the conditions. | 01:55:01 | |
Summarizing those the motion for Mr. Garrett the. | 01:55:06 | |
For Mr. Campbell, correct. | 01:55:09 | |
OK. | 01:55:11 | |
We have a motion to 2nd any. | 01:55:12 | |
All right. Let's roll call. So we're going to start with Mr. Thomas. All in favor, Mr. Thomas? | 01:55:14 | |
Mr. Thomas says no, Mr. Garrett. What do you say, Miss Massey? What do you say? | 01:55:20 | |
Mr. Campbell, what do you? | 01:55:24 | |
Yes. | 01:55:26 | |
All right, so I split and I'm going to say no. | 01:55:27 | |
We spent. | 01:55:31 | |
Long time on a land use plan. One of the things that specifically came up was there was. | 01:55:33 | |
Not interested in this in the city. I know that's been a while, but we had hundreds of people participate in that and. | 01:55:38 | |
At this point I just have not seen enough interest to justify overriding on the land use front, so thank you all for coming in. It | 01:55:45 | |
was very well done. | 01:55:49 | |
It's nothing about tattoos and certainly nothing personal. That was a wonderful presentation. Thank Y'all. | 01:55:53 | |
Mayor, the next item would come off the agenda since that was denied 3:00 to 2:00. | 01:56:01 | |
All right. So we will not be having #18 or #19, and we will move on to our appearances. Next up is. | 01:56:09 | |
The man ring, Brothers, White Tiger. You guys will have a 10 minute time limit for your appearances so please come forward and. | 01:56:19 | |
Let us hear about your exciting business. | 01:56:28 | |
Hey, thanks for having us. I'm Melinda Edwards and this is my husband Ken Manning. Our daughter G is in the back. We live at 154 | 01:56:41 | |
Park Ave. in Athens, but we purchased the building at 64 N Main in Watkinsville and we're just looking for an alcohol license. We | 01:56:49 | |
have run a restaurant in Athens, White Tiger for a little bit over 15 years. We do lunch, dinner and. | 01:56:58 | |
Did we can brunch before COVA? We need to get back to it. But. | 01:57:07 | |
That's our plan at this location to lunch, dinner and weekend brunch. We estimate that around 10% of our total sales will be | 01:57:10 | |
alcohol. | 01:57:15 | |
So we're mostly a food establishment. We always have been. We make BBQ burgers, lots of vegetarian food, around 30% vegetarian | 01:57:21 | |
food. | 01:57:24 | |
And then you have brunch foods. | 01:57:29 | |
The We love the location and we're renovating it. | 01:57:33 | |
Doing our own thing with it. | 01:57:37 | |
It's going to be a little just like we are, but you know, we're family owned and excited to be here. Our daughter is my | 01:57:40 | |
stepdaughter and she's been in school in Oconee County since kindergarten. She's in 8th grade now. Malcolm Bridge. | 01:57:46 | |
And so we have a lot of friends in the community and we spend a lot of time here and we've always kind of had a plan to. | 01:57:52 | |
Pay some taxes here. | 01:57:59 | |
So, so that was kind of that's what motivated us and and we we bought it. So we don't have a plan to leave anytime soon and. | 01:58:02 | |
That's what we're doing. Awesome. | 01:58:11 | |
All right, well that's exciting news. I will tell you the anticipation is high ever since the word first got out, so we are really | 01:58:14 | |
excited. | 01:58:18 | |
Are you guys targeting May, is that right? Yeah, you know last November to this May? | 01:58:22 | |
In there, right? Right. Everything's taken longer, but we're making it. | 01:58:28 | |
How we want. | 01:58:31 | |
China trying to decide what's right with the community. It's a little different than the one we live in now. We have lots of St. | 01:58:33 | |
traffic lots of walkers and I think we will have more with Wisteria Ridge and and with Wire Park and stuff in downtown becoming | 01:58:39 | |
more walkable. But I also think we'll have drivers we're going to leave our we still have it we have to go window that will do | 01:58:45 | |
where you can order head and and drive through and pick up your food to go through our window. | 01:58:50 | |
Like there's some businesses in downtown and Athens to do that, so you couldn't order there, but. | 01:58:57 | |
You can pick it up in your car instead of having to come in. So we're we're looking forward to it becoming, you know, hopefully | 01:59:03 | |
more of a walking community downtown. | 01:59:07 | |
We just love it. We've come for years. We love Ashford Manor. Had my Bachelorette party there. | 01:59:12 | |
But yeah, we've always spent a lot of time in Watkinsville and love it. Would love the art aspect and oh calf and. | 01:59:22 | |
ESP. And. | 01:59:28 | |
We're excited to be part of the community and I think it's, I mean we're petitioned for alcohol license, but it's not by any | 01:59:31 | |
means. | 01:59:34 | |
Going to be some bar or something really. | 01:59:39 | |
Family oriented. | 01:59:41 | |
By chance, you can get a frozen drink, you know? So we have lots of those. | 01:59:44 | |
About 60 to 70 of the restaurants is what it looks like right now. So your predecessor did find managing both of those things and | 01:59:51 | |
we have lots of others in town. So you know, so I think that's fine. I think there's just. | 01:59:57 | |
You know, a lot of buzz about you guys coming. We're excited. The pedestrian thing is a huge goal for us too, and healthy downtown | 02:00:05 | |
and just excited about having. | 02:00:09 | |
Having you guys there, Council, any questions? Because again, used to be these would come before us as a business permit. This is | 02:00:14 | |
your time to learn more, ask your questions now, otherwise I'm going to bring it back and we'll we'll get a motion here. So, so | 02:00:19 | |
this does not pertain at all to your alcohol license that you're requesting. It's more for the safety of the crossing of the | 02:00:24 | |
pedestrians because you did mention Wisteria Ridge. | 02:00:29 | |
And I I can't recall, is there going to be a pedestrian walk across from Wisteria Ridge? | 02:00:36 | |
Proposed it looks like they're trying to make a cut right there. Yeah. Right outside of our property. Really. Yeah. So they can't | 02:00:44 | |
approve it until the project is in. But we've requested that from G dot. We're going to lean on them to go ahead and do that. | 02:00:50 | |
We've it's a condition I think in their plan if G dot will grant it is to have the. | 02:00:55 | |
I always get the acronym wrong but the the blinking blinking. Yeah RR FB crossing. | 02:01:00 | |
Yeah. You know a crosswalk which certainly helped slow traffic down there. So that is we're we're going. | 02:01:10 | |
Seriously advocate for that because we want those people to be able to walk safely downtown. That's. | 02:01:19 | |
And we do have the sidewalk right in front of our spot. I know, I don't think it goes all the way down, but I think I heard that | 02:01:23 | |
it was proposed to go down to where the crosswalk is, but. | 02:01:27 | |
Yeah, it goes, it goes all the way down to Thrasher. And yeah, and I think we've recently gotten it all ADA. | 02:01:30 | |
Fixed up, right. So it should be, should be anybody in a wheelchair, whatever. Should be able to get to your place, to the hills. | 02:01:37 | |
A little bit of a challenge, but they can come through the parking lot I think and get there. So yeah. | 02:01:42 | |
OK. Other questions. | 02:01:49 | |
Are you going to keep the one of that things or hopefully we keep it as long as we can. We of course don't own that building. | 02:01:51 | |
We've tried for years too, but. | 02:01:55 | |
We're successful in Athens and we really like being there. We actually live a couple houses down from our restaurant. So we just | 02:02:01 | |
it's it's easy for us to go to work all running back and forth, you know and and so I think that we always just wanted to be you | 02:02:07 | |
know closer to since we're running out here to Malcolm Bridge twice a day all the time. It was kind of a kind of figure that we do | 02:02:14 | |
both be in both places, but yeah we plan on on being in both. | 02:02:20 | |
How will the menu be different from the regular white tiger? | 02:02:28 | |
Well, I think. | 02:02:32 | |
Umm. | 02:02:34 | |
We're gonna have a better smoker, OK? | 02:02:35 | |
So I think we'll have a little more variety for. | 02:02:38 | |
Just straight up BBQ stuff. | 02:02:41 | |
But I think we're also going to add a fryer, which I've never had before and so have French grass. | 02:02:44 | |
Also county. | 02:02:51 | |
Higher end. | 02:03:25 | |
Items and we're definitely sticking with healthier that you know smoke things on salads. I think we're gonna expand that kind of | 02:03:26 | |
stuff but but we're leaving our base the same so and we'll do we'll do brunch both days of the weekend instead of just on Sundays | 02:03:30 | |
so. | 02:03:34 | |
When I was trying to lose weight, I would order your salmon via delivery a lot in Athens downtown. So that was a life saving | 02:03:40 | |
thing, Yeah, yeah. My wife will be excited to hear about the healthy options. | 02:03:46 | |
I need to. | 02:03:53 | |
Mayor and mayor and weight gain. Mayor weight loss have been a struggle so far, so yeah. | 02:03:55 | |
I'm glad Mario's back. I need a little shade thrown at me tonight. All right. | 02:04:01 | |
All right. Any other questions for our friends from White Tiger? | 02:04:05 | |
Hearing none, we'll take a motion on the alcohol, the beer, wine and distilled spirits application. | 02:04:08 | |
Make a motion for the license. Beer, wine, distilled spirits. | 02:04:17 | |
All right, we have a motion. Do we have a second? | 02:04:23 | |
Any further? | 02:04:26 | |
All in favor. | 02:04:28 | |
All right, motion carries. | 02:04:31 | |
All right, Next up we have 13 School St. | 02:04:34 | |
Tax Parcel W 06006 Mr. McConnell, we're going to have a report from Engineer Campbell and then? | 02:04:39 | |
If Mr. McConnell cares to make a comment, he can, and then we'll move forward. | 02:04:46 | |
I think this is a demolition permit, correct? Partial demolition, that's correct. | 02:04:51 | |
Distinction, right. So you may remember this from the December council meeting. We we talked about this previously, but it is 13 | 02:04:55 | |
School St. it's zoned downtown but it's within the Cultural Arts Preservation District overlay which again would would be near | 02:05:02 | |
near Oak Calf Rocket Field type area. It is not demolition of the entire structure, it is demolition of. | 02:05:09 | |
Partial structure. You'll see more from the pictures about which parts so that's the location if you're not familiar. So it does | 02:05:16 | |
have a school street address but it isn't on a really more than a corner. It's visible from from pretty much three sides there. | 02:05:23 | |
But if you'll go to the next slide so there's a picture from from school St. and and you can see specifically some of the the | 02:05:30 | |
front porch area there that is in I'll I'll politely say disrepair. | 02:05:37 | |
That that area is a portion of the demolition permit request. If we go to the next slide, you can also see that addition. | 02:05:44 | |
Hopefully you can clearly distinguish what is the addition there on the on the western side of the structure that would also be in | 02:05:51 | |
disrepair that would be demolished as part of this request as well. So again. | 02:05:58 | |
There's there's a so that the previous slide you saw was prior. | 02:06:07 | |
December City Council meeting and so this is just an updated picture of a similar area it's it's not gotten better. | 02:06:11 | |
Not to anybody's surprise there. | 02:06:21 | |
It is approximately 2000 square feet the existing structure, so it would be only the front porch and the side room that you saw in | 02:06:24 | |
those pictures. | 02:06:29 | |
The applicant has indicated that those would be rebuilt in approximately the same size and spacing, but it seems to be some of the | 02:06:34 | |
problems that calls now are based on. | 02:06:39 | |
Lack of drainage within the roofs of those structures, so the amendments would be made to. | 02:06:44 | |
The roof area so that those would drain properly. | 02:06:49 | |
Mitigation Any mitigation required for asbestos would be a condition of the permit it had to be. | 02:06:52 | |
Prior to the removal of those portions of the structure, there wouldn't have to be I think mitigation for anything that would be | 02:06:58 | |
outside of that, but specifically for those portions, not the entire structure and then. | 02:07:04 | |
It's less than one acre disturbed. It's not 200 feet from a stream. But again just you have to maintain best management practices | 02:07:11 | |
when you have a heavy equipment in there or things that might be doing demolition. You just want to track mud into the street that | 02:07:17 | |
that type of thing is always the best management practices. So be happy to answer any other questions that you might have. | 02:07:23 | |
Alright, no other questions. | 02:07:31 | |
At this point, Mr. McConnell, do you want to, you have anything you want to add to that? | 02:07:34 | |
My name's Tom Holland, 13 speech St. the correct but however. | 02:07:49 | |
Have been investigated. | 02:07:57 | |
And just the French environment. | 02:07:59 | |
In addition to that, I want to. | 02:08:03 | |
The. | 02:08:05 | |
And they've also done some other testing. | 02:08:09 | |
And then we're. | 02:08:12 | |
Extra. | 02:08:15 | |
And he's been looking at it. I was kind of discouraged with my whole house. | 02:08:16 | |
And I thought maybe it would be best not. | 02:08:20 | |
Keep it. | 02:08:24 | |
Need. | 02:08:30 | |
Into. | 02:08:31 | |
Now what one of the things was we mentioned was tearing. | 02:08:36 | |
The court. | 02:08:40 | |
Marie was added on his service English. | 02:08:42 | |
Never, really. | 02:08:45 | |
There. | 02:08:47 | |
The roof was good. | 02:08:49 | |
A. | 02:08:51 | |
And so I was thinking about putting it back like it was. | 02:08:53 | |
Having that one room addition at this. | 02:08:58 | |
Wrapping the porch back around the house like it was. | 02:09:02 | |
Free. | 02:09:05 | |
So could we flip back to the picture and maybe just, I think we all understand, but are you referring to the room that's behind | 02:09:08 | |
the two trees there, Mr. McConnell? | 02:09:12 | |
OK. | 02:09:17 | |
OK. | 02:09:19 | |
All right. | 02:09:23 | |
Should be more historically accurate rebuilt that way, correct? | 02:09:25 | |
Well. | 02:09:30 | |
You. | 02:09:35 | |
Outdoor fun. | 02:09:36 | |
Of the plan was that that room actually never had been used. | 02:09:41 | |
Of. | 02:09:46 | |
Looking at it and. | 02:09:48 | |
We'd like to put it back. | 02:09:54 | |
Like it was in. | 02:09:56 | |
Saved in 19. | 02:09:57 | |
And then also I've gotten we've been getting quotes on. | 02:09:59 | |
Asbestos. | 02:10:02 | |
Completely redoing the roof. | 02:10:05 | |
And taking that room and just losing that square footage. | 02:10:08 | |
Mr. Baxter, do you have anything you want to add? I you know it is. | 02:10:13 | |
It is, you know, really important to us that. | 02:10:17 | |
We don't always often say we don't have a lot of historic homes in Watkinsville, so we fight really hard to keep everyone that we | 02:10:20 | |
can and we may lose the battles occasionally, but we want to win everyone. | 02:10:24 | |
It's, you know, we just don't have any excess inventory. So Mr. McConnell, thank you for doing the homework and Mr. Mr. Baxter, | 02:10:30 | |
thank you for doing. | 02:10:34 | |
The work on understanding this. | 02:10:38 | |
Yep, Yep. | 02:10:41 | |
Well, thank you. It's, it's a beautiful home. It's a beautiful home. | 02:10:45 | |
Truly is. | 02:10:49 | |
I can show you pictures of him after I did a lot of work on. | 02:10:54 | |
Things happen where. | 02:10:58 | |
Mm-hmm. | 02:11:00 | |
And I didn't. | 02:11:01 | |
Actually, Japan's got known scaffolding in hand. Straight to every piece of that side is down to bare wood. | 02:11:04 | |
On the exterior, there's no clean. | 02:11:09 | |
Hospital and this. | 02:11:13 | |
15 years ago when I was younger. | 02:11:16 | |
And. | 02:11:19 | |
We've been had a lot of other things come along. | 02:11:20 | |
Without. | 02:11:24 | |
But getting rid of the asbestos roof? | 02:11:24 | |
When we talked. | 02:11:28 | |
The branch environment. | 02:11:30 | |
And I've had two or three people who say I'll just get up there and take. | 02:11:32 | |
And they didn't know what the word excuses meant. | 02:11:36 | |
And I called another roofing company with a very good reputation. | 02:11:40 | |
And I. | 02:11:45 | |
Did you know about asbestos roots? He said yes, And So what do you know? | 02:11:47 | |
Well, you have to get men in space. | 02:11:51 | |
That's all I got from them. | 02:11:55 | |
To. | 02:12:01 | |
Actually. | 02:12:02 | |
It was a pretty shaped house, it. | 02:12:05 | |
I love it. I love the Bay on it. | 02:12:08 | |
But when I compare it and I see how it was built. | 02:12:12 | |
When it was first built. | 02:12:16 | |
It has. | 02:12:18 | |
And has plaster inside. | 02:12:22 | |
There's no storm. | 02:12:24 | |
There's nothing in between the outside studs and the inside plastic. | 02:12:27 | |
It was built very inexpensively. | 02:12:31 | |
1. | 02:12:34 | |
And the flooring was not even a sub floor. | 02:12:36 | |
It was just one single piece. | 02:12:39 | |
1 by 4 lbs. | 02:12:42 | |
There's no subfloor that was. | 02:12:45 | |
Going cheating. | 02:12:48 | |
Surprises. | 02:12:54 | |
For 115 years. | 02:12:56 | |
Well, that's that's beautiful. So what we need to move forward tonight. I think we'd like to approve this. We just need to have | 02:12:59 | |
some idea of when those I know you're working on getting contractors, but we're going to. | 02:13:04 | |
Condition approval upon work getting going pretty soon so it doesn't deteriorate further. So what are you, what are you thinking | 02:13:10 | |
in terms of starting that? | 02:13:14 | |
OK. | 02:13:19 | |
And they're working me up the price. And then they told me some letters. | 02:13:22 | |
Uh. | 02:13:30 | |
10 days from the EPA and working in their. | 02:13:31 | |
OK. | 02:13:35 | |
Getting somebody else who has to coordinate. | 02:13:38 | |
When they get the results, put the roof back home so they can be there immediately. | 02:13:41 | |
Is just getting torn off permanent. | 02:13:46 | |
So. | 02:13:49 | |
So the roof is the first step, is that correct then? | 02:13:52 | |
Process. | 02:13:57 | |
So I'll have better access to. OK, so I do. | 02:13:58 | |
I just think you know again given the deterioration could, is it fair to say that work should begin within 45 days? | 02:14:05 | |
Is that enough time? | 02:14:11 | |
Well, as far as, yeah, but I can't do anything till I get the asbestos taken care of and I'm dependent on. | 02:14:14 | |
What? | 02:14:21 | |
They're they're telling me. | 02:14:23 | |
He hasn't gotten back with an exact date. | 02:14:25 | |
OK. | 02:14:31 | |
All right, all right, Kiki. | 02:14:32 | |
Hey. | 02:14:36 | |
So. | 02:14:38 | |
Worked on the ancestors the waiting for them to come back. Our goal is to start it within 45 days where we apply for a line of | 02:14:39 | |
credit with the bank to have that in. We've had three roofers come see us and so once you get this, that's the people which we | 02:14:46 | |
hope to have with them in 20 days or so to prevent business plan to go OK so. | 02:14:53 | |
Yeah, I understand. It's hard for you to make a firm commitment. Maybe if we did 40-5 days. | 02:15:03 | |
45 days. And then we, what would be our next, didn't come back. | 02:15:09 | |
But I think the next concern would be, you know there doesn't want to be a demolition and then a stop. So it would be a demolition | 02:15:38 | |
and then the continuation of those administrative construction items and the new roof coming on. So I would say the new | 02:15:44 | |
construction would need to start, you know subsequent to that, so either 30 to 45 days after the demolition starting in the next | 02:15:49 | |
45 days. Does that sound reasonable? | 02:15:55 | |
Actually doing some of that myself. | 02:16:02 | |
So OK. | 02:16:06 | |
Let me just, let me just get us, try to get us, try to get us to the finish line here. So demolition begins in 45 days and then | 02:16:08 | |
the roof would begin no later than 30 days after that, correct? OK. Is that something we can live with staff? | 02:16:15 | |
Yeah. So, so again, you know, there'll be weather permitting and the other things, but I think that days were ultimately we're | 02:16:23 | |
talking about 75 days, so. So from today, yeah. | 02:16:27 | |
I'm still waiting a little bit of asbestos report on that. | 02:16:32 | |
4th roof, which I know was just roll roofing and it was way past asbestos time because I'm waiting on it before. | 02:16:37 | |
I don't want to disturb any of that until. | 02:16:47 | |
OK, well y'all, y'all communicate with staff. If the time frame changes, will need to talk about it. But I think if we can try to | 02:16:55 | |
operate within that framework, that will give us certainty. | 02:17:00 | |
You know, this home will stand. Hopefully another 115 years. Yep. | 02:17:04 | |
All right. So, Council, if we're willing to operate with that constraint, then I'll take. | 02:17:09 | |
A motion to that effect and we'll we'll move this forward if everyone's in support. | 02:17:14 | |
I'd like to make a motion that we approve. | 02:17:21 | |
Demolition as proposed with this subsequent. | 02:17:24 | |
Timing added to it as well. | 02:17:29 | |
45 days for demolition to begin and the roof to begin. 30 days subsequent to when demolition starts. Yes. OK Sound good? | 02:17:32 | |
OK, well, you need a second for. I know, I know, I'm just clarifying. | 02:17:40 | |
We have a second for Mr. Garrett. Mr. Dickerson, Yeah. So the only thing I just want to make sure because we don't need a part. | 02:17:45 | |
They don't need a permit to do the roof. They've got to do that asbestos stuff. But. | 02:17:49 | |
But building the porch they will. | 02:17:53 | |
And so I'd like to you know I guess I'd like some clarification that they that they will also that they will pull building permit | 02:17:56 | |
for the porch. | 02:18:00 | |
To be rebuilt within a certain number of days as well, maybe within 30 days of the roof being, you know, being pulled, you know, | 02:18:05 | |
constructed a permit. Yeah, pull a permit. Because once they pull a permit, they have six months to show progress that they don't, | 02:18:11 | |
they can lose their permit and that creates a whole administrative, so 45 days. | 02:18:16 | |
Yep. | 02:18:24 | |
I believe you were talking to forks would come after the roof is already reinstalled. I have. I don't know the order I. | 02:18:37 | |
Understand there needs to be a building permit for the. | 02:18:44 | |
And I'm just waiting on a little bit of aspects problem with it. | 02:18:47 | |
And then I thought, I would like on the main body of the house, the roof on the main body of the house which needs. | 02:18:52 | |
And then, then then rebuild. The room will not be there anymore, right? | 02:19:00 | |
All right. | 02:19:06 | |
So then we'd like to have the building permit, and it can happen sooner. You can do the building permit anytime you want to, but | 02:19:08 | |
we'd like to have the building permit then again. | 02:19:11 | |
Within 30 days of work commencing on the roof. OK, All right. So that's, that's our motion. If you're good with that. Do we have a |